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Cinemascore · Post by **Cinemascore** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:49 pm

Hello all,

I've been doing a little research on what might be the best true synthesized (not using samples) emulation. Arturia's Spark Vintage claims a Simmons SDS V emulation through synthesis, but there are no audio demos of this kit that I can find to hear it. There was also a Reaktor ensemble that was being worked on a while ago that emulated a Simmons kit, but it seemed to never materialize.

Does anyone have any other ideas on a good drum synth that can faithfully emulate the '80s sound of Simmons drums without using samples?

The toms are most important to me, but kick and snare would be good, too.

Thanks!

crimsonwarlock · Post by **crimsonwarlock** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:57 pm

Not specifically Simmons but definitely '80s drum sounds: SQ8L.

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 6:58 pm

before you spend money try out the excellent free 'simmons SDS-V'-style drum synth Hexagon 85.

http://marvinpavilion.ojaru.jp/en/sound/vst.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hcjJOkGKlg

discoDSP · Post by **discoDSP** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:14 pm

Both Discovery and Discovery Pro have a interesting percussion sound bank.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9vyY6o4lAI

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:16 pm

aren't simmons electroacoustic, meaning that an emulation would be required to model a resonant plate (at least.. and cabinet) which is more or less in the realm of "clever tricks* may sound similar but maybe next decade" - high performance 2d models** are cpu prohibitive for daws, i'd expect you could run a few realtime on multicores, but not enough to be marketable as a vst, especially not with an output up to 22kHz.

* eg. modal synthesis
** eg. meshes

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:19 pm

murnau wrote:before you spend money try out the excellent free 'simmons SDS-V'-style drum synth Hexagon 85.

Sounds extremely good. \m/

sinkmusic · Post by **sinkmusic** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 7:25 pm

Drumatic4 ?

Cinemascore · Post by **Cinemascore** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:24 pm

Aloysius wrote:
murnau wrote:before you spend money try out the excellent free 'simmons SDS-V'-style drum synth Hexagon 85.
Sounds extremely good. \m/

I agree - very impressive. Thanks for the heads up on this one, murnau!

Cinemascore · Post by **Cinemascore** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 8:26 pm

sinkmusic wrote:Drumatic4 ?

I knew about Drumatic, but it's online audio demos didn't suggest much of that "Simmons" flavor, especially in the toms area. I need to download the demo VSTi and see if it comes close. It's synthesized thats for sure, and that's what I'm looking for. Thanks, sinkmusic!

spacedad · Post by **spacedad** » Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:57 pm

xoxos wrote:aren't simmons electroacoustic, meaning that an emulation would be required to model a resonant plate (at least.. and cabinet) which is more or less in the realm of "clever tricks* may sound similar but maybe next decade" - high performance 2d models** are cpu prohibitive for daws, i'd expect you could run a few realtime on multicores, but not enough to be marketable as a vst, especially not with an output up to 22kHz.

* eg. modal synthesis
** eg. meshes

you gave the 'wrong' answer!
should have said 'give bong a try,it's not a simmons emu,but it's a bloody good drum synth,and it may get close!

RunBeerRun · Post by **RunBeerRun** » Thu Nov 14, 2013 2:25 am

Aren't the Marvin ones a mix of synths and samples? Don't know which was which, he released like 500 plugins.

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 2:18 am

spacedad wrote: you gave the 'wrong' answer!

you're right! the 'correct' answer is that about a month to two months ago, a kvr member posted a thread begging to record live drum parts for people. he had (and has youtube videos demoing) two simmons kits (and sd5 and sd7 if i remember the #s correctly).

b15fliptop · Post by **b15fliptop** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:31 pm

If you've got Kontakt, Hollow Sun has the HSDV.

http://www.hollowsun.com/HS2/products/hsdv/index.htm

arkmabat · Post by **arkmabat** » Fri Nov 15, 2013 3:54 pm

RunBeerRun wrote:Aren't the Marvin ones a mix of synths and samples? Don't know which was which, he released like 500 plugins.

As far as I can tell, the drum hits are synth and the cymbals are samples.

Guckli · Post by **Guckli** » Mon Dec 16, 2013 6:05 pm

arkmabat wrote:
RunBeerRun wrote:Aren't the Marvin ones a mix of synths and samples? Don't know which was which, he released like 500 plugins.
As far as I can tell, the drum hits are synth and the cymbals are samples.

As they are on a real SDSV. Most SDSVs were sold without the hihat and cymbal modules btw.

'80s Simmons Drums - best synthesized (not samples) emulation VSTi?