48khz -> 44.1khz = is there any advantage going down?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 8553 posts since 5 Aug, 2009
hi guys, some years ago i decided to go 48khz and 24bit and recently i discussed with someone who said 48khz is not worthy, takes more performance and plugins might get buggy/glitchy?
i always thought 48khz is a golden standard and better quality when exporting and working with it. even when you upload wav on youtube, bandcamp etc. it is better to use than 44khz.
im confused! any experiences on this?
thx
i always thought 48khz is a golden standard and better quality when exporting and working with it. even when you upload wav on youtube, bandcamp etc. it is better to use than 44khz.
im confused! any experiences on this?
thx
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- KVRAF
- 15331 posts since 8 Mar, 2005 from Utrecht, Holland
Haven't we had this very discussion dozens and dozens of times before?
<tl;dr> What's your distribution target? Stick to that. At the end I'd stick with 48kHz and not lose too much sleep over it.</tl;dr>
48kHz is "not worthy"? I think you meant "not worth it".
The performance difference is roughly an extra (48-44.1)/44.1 = 9%. I'll tell you what happens if you currently have glitchiness and switch to the lower sample rate and that indeed fixes it. Eventually you'll throw in an extra CPU hog (or two) and you get the glitchiness back again. So you were already living on the edge of what your system can handle. Start saving up for something more powerful. Or review the necessity of using CPU hogs in the first place.
I think Youtube resamples everything to their own preferred internal format of 44.1kHz.
Q: Is any quality lost in the process?
A: You're talking about Youtube, so it doesn't really matter.
<tl;dr> What's your distribution target? Stick to that. At the end I'd stick with 48kHz and not lose too much sleep over it.</tl;dr>
48kHz is "not worthy"? I think you meant "not worth it".
The performance difference is roughly an extra (48-44.1)/44.1 = 9%. I'll tell you what happens if you currently have glitchiness and switch to the lower sample rate and that indeed fixes it. Eventually you'll throw in an extra CPU hog (or two) and you get the glitchiness back again. So you were already living on the edge of what your system can handle. Start saving up for something more powerful. Or review the necessity of using CPU hogs in the first place.
I think Youtube resamples everything to their own preferred internal format of 44.1kHz.
Q: Is any quality lost in the process?
A: You're talking about Youtube, so it doesn't really matter.
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- KVRAF
- 2319 posts since 10 Jul, 2008 from Orbit NE US
48K is fine, unless you are pressing CDs, then perhaps 44.1. Tracking maybe higher.
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- KVRAF
- 6438 posts since 22 Jan, 2005 from Sweden
Most sample libraries I encountered are 44k, apart from Spitfire ones that I have since targeting film scoring that is 48k standard.
So 44k libraries resample realtime doing 48k projects and had no problem with that. If any more cpu doing that I did not notice. But some use simpler algo for realtime mixing and then best algo doing final export.
But daws like Cakewalk/Sonar can do upsampling to double or more of project sample rate in transparent fashion for certain complex waveforms like strings that benefit from less aliasing then. You set for each plugin and easy to turn on/off as you please for playback or just rendering.
As I recall Youtube have recommendation to have 48k uploading video.
So why resample in so many stages.
- if doing video you are set
- if doing audio only resample to 44k once. I encountered one player that did not like 48k in mp3 as an example.
So 44k libraries resample realtime doing 48k projects and had no problem with that. If any more cpu doing that I did not notice. But some use simpler algo for realtime mixing and then best algo doing final export.
But daws like Cakewalk/Sonar can do upsampling to double or more of project sample rate in transparent fashion for certain complex waveforms like strings that benefit from less aliasing then. You set for each plugin and easy to turn on/off as you please for playback or just rendering.
As I recall Youtube have recommendation to have 48k uploading video.
So why resample in so many stages.
- if doing video you are set
- if doing audio only resample to 44k once. I encountered one player that did not like 48k in mp3 as an example.
- KVRAF
- 1844 posts since 23 Sep, 2004 from Kocmoc
Go 48k, its the standard now. Changed to it, didnt look back, even with this 10 year old PC
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- KVRAF
- 15187 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
You will use a bit less CPU and memory, but unless you’re using an ancient computer, don’t worry about it. Sounds to me like your friend formed his opinion in the 90s and has yet to revise it.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 8553 posts since 5 Aug, 2009
thanks a lot guys! do you know how much overall you save around? i mean is it about only a few % or maybe 5% or so?
i was wondering myself too but also at the same time maybe he is right?
where i use music:
CDr
Youtube
Social MEdia overall
maybe testing Spotify
Bandcamp
and i think all these platforms use/convert to 44.1 khz anyway?
if so, why should i use 48khz?
thx
i was wondering myself too but also at the same time maybe he is right?
where i use music:
CDr
Youtube
Social MEdia overall
maybe testing Spotify
Bandcamp
and i think all these platforms use/convert to 44.1 khz anyway?
if so, why should i use 48khz?
thx
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- KVRAF
- 15331 posts since 8 Mar, 2005 from Utrecht, Holland
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 8553 posts since 5 Aug, 2009
thx do you know if a sample conversion from 48khz -> 44.1khz is worse than have a 44.1khz exported audio file first place?
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