ARA 2 for Bitwig- who wants it?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 11276 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales
I hope you are right, although it may be a bit like Cubase admitting Variaudio isn't that great!
I guess they could at they are adding Melodyne for polyphonic audio editing if it wasn't planned for V10...
Either way I think they should do it- give people a choice.
I guess they could at they are adding Melodyne for polyphonic audio editing if it wasn't planned for V10...
Either way I think they should do it- give people a choice.
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- KVRAF
- 5827 posts since 27 Jul, 2001 from Tarpon Springs, Florida, USA
Someone that seemed knowledgeable said that Cubase and a couple of other DAW's because of the way they are developed will be very difficult to adopt ARA and for that reason they very likely will not.SLiC wrote:I hope you are right, although it may be a bit like Cubase admitting Variaudio isn't that great!
I guess they could at they are adding Melodyne for polyphonic audio editing if it wasn't planned for V10...
Either way I think they should do it- give people a choice.
Interesting
https://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=127142
My Studio: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=7760&p=7777146#p7777146
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- KVRist
- 129 posts since 16 Mar, 2013 from United States
It's definitely not a trivial feature to implement. I beta tested the Sonar implementation and there were quite a few problems involving Melodyne clips, especially when it came to inserting or deleting measures in the project. I had problems with Melodyne clips playing whole measures out of sync with the rest of the project, there were lots of crashes and freezes when moving large groups of clips containing Melodyne clips, and a few other bizarre ones. Like when you'd select a Melodyne clip along with a regular MIDI clip and moved them, it would create copies of the clips instead of just move them. I seem to remember another serious unexpected problem as well but I can't remember the details. It might have had something to do with Sonar not saving some synth settings properly.Kalamata Kid wrote:Someone that seemed knowledgeable said that Cubase and a couple of other DAW's because of the way they are developed will be very difficult to adopt ARA and for that reason they very likely will not.SLiC wrote:I hope you are right, although it may be a bit like Cubase admitting Variaudio isn't that great!
I guess they could at they are adding Melodyne for polyphonic audio editing if it wasn't planned for V10...
Either way I think they should do it- give people a choice.
Interesting
https://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=127142
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- KVRist
- 129 posts since 16 Mar, 2013 from United States
How so? The functionality of Melodyne goes way above and beyond anything that Elastique does. The two are completely different things for completely different purposes. Their functionality overlaps a little, but one cannot completely replace the other.Thala wrote:since Bitwig just bought the zplane elastic stuff, i don`t have big hopes they will integrate melodyne too. somewhat redundant.
- KVRist
- 265 posts since 25 Jan, 2016 from in my DAW
For what kind of real world tasks would you use Melodyne especially with the ARA 2 integration in Bitwig?
- KVRAF
- 8845 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space
I want it, definitely, but first they should get MPE working correctly...
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 11276 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales
Correcting pitch or timing of any live instrument (anything recorded as audio can be edited as midi even polyphonic audio)tedannemann wrote:For what kind of real world tasks would you use Melodyne especially with the ARA 2 integration in Bitwig?
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- KVRian
- 1351 posts since 31 Mar, 2014
Audio to Miditedannemann wrote:For what kind of real world tasks would you use Melodyne especially with the ARA 2 integration in Bitwig?
Celemony's algorithms are able to extract pitch data from audio (even polyphonically).
It is even able to detect micro-pitch changes like vibrato (also even polyphonically).
So that data could be converted into MPE note data with per-note pitch expression.
Also I could imagine that it's theoretically possible to get per-note amplitude information from the algorithm.
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- KVRist
- 129 posts since 16 Mar, 2013 from United States
Melodyne translates amplitude to MIDI velocity, if that's what you meant.u-u-u wrote:Also I could imagine that it's theoretically possible to get per-note amplitude information from the algorithm.tedannemann wrote:For what kind of real world tasks would you use Melodyne especially with the ARA 2 integration in Bitwig?
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- KVRist
- 223 posts since 8 Oct, 2013
I want it.
And I would be willing to pay the update price to have it.
And I would be willing to pay the update price to have it.
- KVRian
- 1351 posts since 31 Mar, 2014
No, I meant that maybe it could be expanded to extract a more detailed volume envelope -> to be the "pressure", "timbre" or the Bitwig-specific "gain" parameter of the note expressions.sharke wrote:Melodyne translates amplitude to MIDI velocity, if that's what you meant.u-u-u wrote:Also I could imagine that it's theoretically possible to get per-note amplitude information from the algorithm.tedannemann wrote:For what kind of real world tasks would you use Melodyne especially with the ARA 2 integration in Bitwig?
(not only one static velocity parameter)
To speak in Melodynes language, the indiviual "blobs" already are displayed with the volume shapes -> so the information seems to be already there.
Wait, I attach a picture make it more obvious as it's hard to explain it by words...
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- KVRer
- 29 posts since 28 Mar, 2014
Yes, ARA 2 in Bitwig is on top of my personal wish list for features in Bitwig, followed by comping. Those two things would open up the market quite a more for people who use Bitwig for more organic stuff, I guess.
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- KVRian
- 1206 posts since 23 May, 2016
would definitely improve Bitwig and make it more versatile! Since Ableton ignores a lot of feature requests this would make it even more interesting for people to move to Bitwig.