What's SoHa Sound Up To?
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TotcProductions TotcProductions https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6202
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5113 posts since 5 Mar, 2003 from Philadelphia, USA
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- R.I.P.
- 3833 posts since 8 Sep, 2003 from Santa Clara, CA, USA
yeah...omce in a while I bring up Sonata..and what a fine synth!
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- KVRist
- 75 posts since 25 Feb, 2004
hey guys,
sorry it took me so long to get back; been on vacation this past week.
we've been working on a bunch of ideas, mostly related to physical modelling. our modelling techniques have been pretty good, but tend to take up *tons* of cpu -- way more than is practical. i have however figured out a few very practical and interesting solutions. there's also something entirely new on the board... a month or so should determine its usefulness. basically, we have a lot of pieces ready to go, need a few more, and can then start to pull them together into one plugin. i'll post here when i have something for you.
btw, tim: been using your crystal preset for sonata in a new track of mine. fits perfectly. will post the mp3 when done.
thanks for checkin' in,
- tucker
sorry it took me so long to get back; been on vacation this past week.
we've been working on a bunch of ideas, mostly related to physical modelling. our modelling techniques have been pretty good, but tend to take up *tons* of cpu -- way more than is practical. i have however figured out a few very practical and interesting solutions. there's also something entirely new on the board... a month or so should determine its usefulness. basically, we have a lot of pieces ready to go, need a few more, and can then start to pull them together into one plugin. i'll post here when i have something for you.
btw, tim: been using your crystal preset for sonata in a new track of mine. fits perfectly. will post the mp3 when done.
thanks for checkin' in,
- tucker
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TotcProductions TotcProductions https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6202
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5113 posts since 5 Mar, 2003 from Philadelphia, USA
Sounds sweet! Can't wait.
Thanks for the update Tucker!
PEace,
Frank
Thanks for the update Tucker!
PEace,
Frank
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- KVRian
- 1399 posts since 29 Feb, 2004
----So does that mean Sonata will be put to rest, or updated to version 2.0 soon ?
Jeff
Jeff
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- KVRist
- 75 posts since 25 Feb, 2004
i haven't found an acceptable way to *update* sonata significantly (and have been notified of 0 bugs), but i am thinking about a "light" version (sonatina). the cpu hit is by far the biggest detractor i've noticed, and i really can't make it any more efficient without changing the sound. however, by changing the way the insides work (or maybe rebuilding entirely from scratch), preformance can be improved. since this will change the sound, it will be a new version, not an upgrade (but will still ship with sonata, including to current customers). once cpu is down a bit, there might be some room for further options.
so, here's the order in which i plan to work on things right now:
SoHa Fugue (experimental stage)
SoHa Sonatina (reprogramming stage)
physical modelling experiments (experimental stage; need a few more successful pieces in order to make prototype synth)
- tucker
so, here's the order in which i plan to work on things right now:
SoHa Fugue (experimental stage)
SoHa Sonatina (reprogramming stage)
physical modelling experiments (experimental stage; need a few more successful pieces in order to make prototype synth)
- tucker
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- KVRian
- 1399 posts since 29 Feb, 2004
----Yeah, cpu usage is one demon you always have to fight it seems, even these days. You could maybe add features that can be turned off and on though, so they only use cpu cycles when active. Anyways, looking forward to seeing/hearing the new stuff later in the year.
Jeff
Jeff
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TotcProductions TotcProductions https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6202
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 5113 posts since 5 Mar, 2003 from Philadelphia, USA
Don't worry about it....in 2 years processors will be running at 5 or 6.0 ghz.....in 5 years it'll be 12...then we'll all be able to run whatever we want.liars&ashes wrote:----Yeah, cpu usage is one demon you always have to fight it seems, even these days. You could maybe add features that can be turned off and on though, so they only use cpu cycles when active. Anyways, looking forward to seeing/hearing the new stuff later in the year.
Jeff
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- KVRist
- 75 posts since 25 Feb, 2004
Unfortunately, that's probably not entirely true. Theoretically, processors should not get faster than about 4gHz (yes, we're right there - notice a slow-down recently?). Multi-processor systems are taking over now, but they need support that can route a single program (say, a host) through both processors in some intelligent way. So yes, things will get faster, but the so-powerful-we-dont-have-to-worry-about-it processor will probably not exist for a very long time (or ever).processors will be running at 5 or 6.0 ghz
The real solution is for developers to figure out ways to accomplish the tasks they want to with extremely intelligent solutions so we can do the same amount of audio stuff with much less processing. That takes time. Maybe a lot of time. And sometimes there's not a faster way and we have to do something else.
So, we're still working. I just received a large chunk of free time (this is not a normal thing for me), so Fugue is under way. Initial experiments look positive.
- Tucker
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- KVRian
- 1399 posts since 29 Feb, 2004
----What is "Fugue" going to be, ie - synth or effect ?
Jeff
Jeff
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- KVRist
- 75 posts since 25 Feb, 2004
"Fugue" is an idea for an effect. Like a fugue in composition, Fugue will take a small amount of material, rework it a bunch of different ways and combine it with itself to produce something more complex and interesting than the original bit. I stress that right now it is at a mere 10% stage, but so far is encouraging. I'm currently working on CPU saving strategies for this one.
- Tucker
- Tucker
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TotcProductions TotcProductions https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6202
- KVRAF
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- 5113 posts since 5 Mar, 2003 from Philadelphia, USA
tuckermc wrote:"Fugue" is an idea for an effect. Like a fugue in composition, Fugue will take a small amount of material, rework it a bunch of different ways and combine it with itself to produce something more complex and interesting than the original bit. I stress that right now it is at a mere 10% stage, but so far is encouraging. I'm currently working on CPU saving strategies for this one.
- Tucker
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- KVRian
- 1399 posts since 29 Feb, 2004
----Fugue sounds very cool, I look forward to checking it out when it's done
Jeff
Jeff
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- KVRian
- 1399 posts since 29 Feb, 2004
----So what's the word on Fugue and Sonata these days ?
Jeff
Jeff
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- KVRist
- 75 posts since 25 Feb, 2004
They're on hold. I'm working some 60-70 hours a week right now and simply don't have the time for serious research and development. I'd love to get back to Fugue, but I don't believe this will happen within the next 6 weeks.
Thanks for staying tuned, guys. I'll post when I can again do some real work.
- Tucker
Thanks for staying tuned, guys. I'll post when I can again do some real work.
- Tucker