What's More Important To You? The DAW, The Computer Or The Composer?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3256 posts since 30 Dec, 2014
I thought this would be an interesting question on which to judge this community on.
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FranklyFlawless FranklyFlawless https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=586325
- KVRian
- 782 posts since 24 Oct, 2022 from Abbotsford, British Columbia
None of those options.
- GRRRRRRR!
- 15999 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle
Same here, none of those things are really that important to me, in and of themselves. They are all just part of the process but the only thing that matters to me is the song you have at the end of that process.
To quantify each a little, we made and remade our 5th album in two different DAWs and some of the songs sounded better from one, others from the other. But the differences were small and inconsequential, we could have released either version and been equally happy. As it was, we picked some songs from each session but nobody would be able to pick which was made where, so DAWs aren't important.
I've worked on five different computers over the past couple of years but it has made completely and utterly no difference to anything.
Finally, I write some of our songs and my bandmate writes the rest but I'd be very surprised if anyone could pick which were whose. We also do a few covers and they sit in perfectly with our own stuff.
The thing is, I could complain that without Orion, we don't have the inimitable sound of Wasp and Orion's workflow is much better than any other DAW. Or I could complain about how much time and effort I've put into switching computers so regularly and all the hassles that's created. I could also explain how much better our process works when my bandmate provides the basis for a song but, the thing is, none of that matters when it comes to the reason I do all of it, which is to have songs to perform on stage. The songs we end up with are of a very consistent quality which often exceeds my expectations and none of that has anything to do with what computer we use, which DAW we work in or which of us writes the songs.
So what does make a difference? f**ked if I know, although I think that the general improvements in the quality of the tools at our disposal over the years has definitely allowed us to get closer to what we set out to achieve all those years ago. e.g. Last month I resurrected a couple of old songs, one we probably haven't performed for more than 20 years. When they appeared on our early albums, those songs sounded good but the biggest sounding Unison synth we had back then was JX Synth, which is pathetic by current standards. So the simple act of replacing JX Synth with Union and putting in some better sounding drums lifted that song to an entirely new level. I didn't have to change the arrangement or do much else and an old, forgotten song is suddenly one we can't wait to get up and play.
In the end, then, I suppose you could say that what computer I use doesn't matter, as long s it's a fairly new, powerful one. Which DAW I use doesn't matter, as long as it's a recent version and who writes a song doesn't matter once we've put it through our process.
To quantify each a little, we made and remade our 5th album in two different DAWs and some of the songs sounded better from one, others from the other. But the differences were small and inconsequential, we could have released either version and been equally happy. As it was, we picked some songs from each session but nobody would be able to pick which was made where, so DAWs aren't important.
I've worked on five different computers over the past couple of years but it has made completely and utterly no difference to anything.
Finally, I write some of our songs and my bandmate writes the rest but I'd be very surprised if anyone could pick which were whose. We also do a few covers and they sit in perfectly with our own stuff.
The thing is, I could complain that without Orion, we don't have the inimitable sound of Wasp and Orion's workflow is much better than any other DAW. Or I could complain about how much time and effort I've put into switching computers so regularly and all the hassles that's created. I could also explain how much better our process works when my bandmate provides the basis for a song but, the thing is, none of that matters when it comes to the reason I do all of it, which is to have songs to perform on stage. The songs we end up with are of a very consistent quality which often exceeds my expectations and none of that has anything to do with what computer we use, which DAW we work in or which of us writes the songs.
So what does make a difference? f**ked if I know, although I think that the general improvements in the quality of the tools at our disposal over the years has definitely allowed us to get closer to what we set out to achieve all those years ago. e.g. Last month I resurrected a couple of old songs, one we probably haven't performed for more than 20 years. When they appeared on our early albums, those songs sounded good but the biggest sounding Unison synth we had back then was JX Synth, which is pathetic by current standards. So the simple act of replacing JX Synth with Union and putting in some better sounding drums lifted that song to an entirely new level. I didn't have to change the arrangement or do much else and an old, forgotten song is suddenly one we can't wait to get up and play.
In the end, then, I suppose you could say that what computer I use doesn't matter, as long s it's a fairly new, powerful one. Which DAW I use doesn't matter, as long as it's a recent version and who writes a song doesn't matter once we've put it through our process.
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- KVRAF
- 5549 posts since 2 Sep, 2019
Obviously, no matter how you look at the question, the answer is: the composer.
If it's someone else's music I'm listening to, I don't care what DAW or computer they used. Almost certainly, they recorded through a console to tape in a time before DAWs. I'm listening because I want to listen to that band play those songs. I'm listening because I want to hear Adele, not a Dell. I'm listening to Cake, not Cakewalk. I'm listening to Grim Reaper, not REAPER. I'm listening to Fleetwood Mac, not Apple Mac. I'm listening to Live, not Live. OK, I think I've exhausted the puns now...
If it's my own music we're talking about, then of course I am the one indispensable part. Studio One just sits here on my Mac doing nothing if I'm not filling it with my music.
If it's a philosophical question of which of the three really matters most for the creative process, again, it's going to be the composer. Sibelius wouldn't have been any better with a computer, even if he used Sibelius.
If it's someone else's music I'm listening to, I don't care what DAW or computer they used. Almost certainly, they recorded through a console to tape in a time before DAWs. I'm listening because I want to listen to that band play those songs. I'm listening because I want to hear Adele, not a Dell. I'm listening to Cake, not Cakewalk. I'm listening to Grim Reaper, not REAPER. I'm listening to Fleetwood Mac, not Apple Mac. I'm listening to Live, not Live. OK, I think I've exhausted the puns now...
If it's my own music we're talking about, then of course I am the one indispensable part. Studio One just sits here on my Mac doing nothing if I'm not filling it with my music.
If it's a philosophical question of which of the three really matters most for the creative process, again, it's going to be the composer. Sibelius wouldn't have been any better with a computer, even if he used Sibelius.
THIS MUSIC HAS BEEN MIXED TO BE PLAYED LOUD SO TURN IT UP
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- KVRAF
- 2613 posts since 19 Mar, 2008 from germany
Of course the composer is very important. He brings in the ideas, melody, rhythm and all that.
The DAW and the computer are just the tools, like pliers and hammers are to a craftsman.
The DAW and the computer are just the tools, like pliers and hammers are to a craftsman.
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VELLTONE MUSIC VELLTONE MUSIC https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=404834
- KVRAF
- 2084 posts since 19 Sep, 2017 from The Future
The good one,the bad one or the ugly mf...hihihi
The Soo-ound Designer is my answer :):)
The Soo-ound Designer is my answer :):)
- KVRist
- 392 posts since 3 Nov, 2023
It isn'tTHE INTRANCER wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:17 pm I thought this would be an interesting question on which to judge this community on.
- KVRAF
- 9580 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
But it is, hes not looking for you to complete the survey but to reply with your opinion
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- GRRRRRRR!
- 15999 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle
Does Adele write her own songs? I know she does the lyrics but I think she gets other people to write the tunes, doesn't she? I'd suggest her success has far more to do with her voice than her skills as a composer.
OTOH, I couldn't do any damned thing without some form of DAW, whether it's a hardware sequencer or something ITB.Sibelius wouldn't have been any better with a computer, even if he used Sibelius.
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gentleclockdivider gentleclockdivider https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=203660
- KVRAF
- 6127 posts since 22 Mar, 2009 from gent
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- Beware the Quoth
- 33231 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
How? The question is flawed.THE INTRANCER wrote: ↑Mon Apr 08, 2024 11:17 pm I thought this would be an interesting question on which to judge this community on.
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- addled muppet weed
- 106034 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
as i am the composer in my trilogy, then me.
i don't need to medicate my computer.
also, the computer is part of the daw, i think you mean "host".
host + computer = daw.
i don't need to medicate my computer.
also, the computer is part of the daw, i think you mean "host".
host + computer = daw.
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- KVRer
- 19 posts since 3 Apr, 2024
The composer, because he can use different computers or DAWs
Actually a composer can dispose of both DAW and computer and compose with only real instruments
Actually a composer can dispose of both DAW and computer and compose with only real instruments