Done some comparison of scales like the title says.
Why?
Lets say Im using Chord Prism at start of a project but want to expand project with more instruments but not trough Chord Prism because I already used many instances, or don't wanna copy then mute chord notes in a new instance, or vst isn't inside Chord Prism list, basically when I want quick and direct result of my playing using same scale but not using Chord Prism for that.
I just need to know what scale I need (they are not sharing the same name in all cases) and load any instrument.
Or I wanna mess around with randomizing scripts in Reaper but need to know how its named in Reaper so I can snap notes of my experiments to that scale so everything "works" together.
The list can save a lot of time when such information is needed, comparing notes and finding exact scale can take time in some cases.
That's why I spent several hours investigating how scale names correlate between Chord Prism - Reaper - Maschine.
Note : Komplete Kontrol most likely use the same setting as Maschine, haven't tested though.
If you are using some different DAW, at least you may find more info if your DAW doesn't have that exact scale name as in Chord Prism. Example:
Chord Prism: Neapolitan Major
in Reaper: Neopolitan Major
in Maschine: Phryg Major (note: not Neapolitan Major there!)
What I'm saying, if doesn't fit with your DAW to Neapolitan Major try to see if its NEOpolitan Major or Phrygian Major. The list can narrow results.
As in pic I'll go column by column, just gonna skip first one named Common since its standard so I guess they'll share name/notes across all DAWs.
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= HARMONIC MINOR =
• Minor
in Reaper scale: Harmonic Minor
in Maschine- bank: Main Type: Harmonic Minor
• Locrian #6
in Reaper scale: Locrian Nat 6
in Maschine- bank: World Type: Mid East 3
• Major #5
in Reaper scale: Ionian Augmented
in Maschine- NO (no meaning as there is no such scale in there)
• Dorian #4
in Reaper scale: Dorian #4
in Maschine- bank: World Type: Jewish 2
• Phrygian Dominant
in Reaper scale: Mixolydian b9b13
in Maschine- bank: Main Type: Freygish
• Lydian #2
in Reaper scale: Lydian #9
in Maschine- NO
• Super Locrian bb7
in Reaper scale: Ultra Locrian 1
in Maschine- NO
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
= MELODIC MINOR =
• Minor
in Reaper scale: Medolic Minor (this isnt my typo)
in Maschine- bank: Minor Type: Minor Major
• Dorian b2
in Reaper scale: Dorian b2
in Maschine- NO
• Lydian Augmented
in Reaper scale: Lydian Aug
in Maschine- bank: Jazz Type: Lydian #5
• Lydian b7
in Reaper scale: Lydian b7
in Maschine- bank: Jazz Type: Lydian b7
• Mixolydian b6
in Reaper scale: Mixolydian b13
in Maschine- bank: Jazz Type: Mixolydian b13
• Locrian #2
in Reaper scale: Locrian Nat 9
in Maschine- bank: Modes Type: Minor Locrian
• Super Locrian
in Reaper scale: Alt Dominant / Hindi 5 flats / Super Locrian all sharps, etc.
in Maschine- bank: Modes Type: Super Locrian
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
= HARMONIC MAJOR =
• Major b6
in Reaper scale: Harmonic Major
in Maschine- bank: Major Type: Harmonic Major
• Dorian b5
in Reaper scale: Dorian b5
in Maschine- bank: Modes Type: Dorian b5
• Phrygian b4
in Reaper scale: Phrygian dim 4th
in Maschine- NO
• Lydian b3
in Reaper scale: Smyrneiko
in Maschine- bank: Modes Type: Lydian b3
• Mixolydian b2
in Reaper scale: Mixolydian b9
in Maschine- NO
• Super Lydian
in Reaper scale: Aeolian 2# 4# #5 / Aeolian Flat 3b 5b 6b 8b / Aeolian Flat b3 b5 b6
in Maschine- NO
• Locrian Diminished
in Reaper scale: Locrian bb7
in Maschine- NO
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
= MISC =
The most interesting one. I started my quest with those and I added some notes resulted from google search.
• Arabic
This is also known as Mayamalavagowla, Bhairav Raga, Byzantine scale, Arabic (Hijaz Kar), and Gypsy major, also double harmonic.
in Reaper scale: Hungarian Folk
in Maschine- bank: Main Type: Arabic
• Enigmatic
also known as Verdi's Enigmatic (Ascending)
in Reaper scale: Enigmatic
in Maschine- bank: Modern Type: Enigmatic
• Hungarian Major
in Reaper scale: Hungarian Major
in Maschine- bank: World Type: Hungarian Major
• Hungarian Minor
also known as Nihavent (Greek), Nawa Athar (Arabian),
Hungarian minor scale, double harmonic minor scale, or Gypsy minor scale.
in Reaper scale: Hungarian Gypsy 1 (not the first but second in the list-same name) from bank of scales: laptop edition
in Maschine- bank: World Type: Hungarian Minor
• Neapolitan Major
Kokilpriya (Indian)
In music, the major Neapolitan scale and the minor Neapolitan scale are two musical scales. Both scales are minor, despite their names.
in Reaper scale: Neopolitan Major
in Maschine- bank: Modes Type: Phryg Major (note: not Neapolitan Major there!)
• Neapolitan Minor
also known as neopolitan
in Reaper scale: Neopolitan Minor
in Maschine- bank: World Type: Neapolitan Minor / bank: Minor Type: Neapolitan Minor
• Persian
in Reaper scale: Persian
in Maschine- bank: World Type: Mid East 2
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Note for Reaper
For Reaper you gonna need Reascales by zappadave. You probably have them but if you don't, download from links bellow, put into Reaper Data folder and load inside midi editor.
Forum thread:
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=75857
zappadave "stash", choose there which one you like:
https://stash.reaper.fm/u/zappadave
I personally like this one the most, its compact:
https://stash.reaper.fm/v/27335/ZD-comp ... d.reascale
Here is detailed Reaper blog post how to use and install Reascales with pics:
https://reaperblog.net/2012/03/how-to-use-reascales/
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hope this info is helpful.
Scales in Chord Prism vs in Maschine and Reaper
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2021-08-28T18:22:04+00:00
Done some comparison of scales like the title says.
Why?
Lets say Im using Chord Prism at start of a project but want to expand project with more instruments but not trough Chord Prism because I already used many instances, or don't wanna copy then mute chord notes in a new instance, or vst isn't inside Chord Prism list, basically when I want quick and direct result of my playing using same scale but not using Chord Prism for that.
I just need to know what scale I need (they are not sharing the same name in all cases) and load any instrument.
Or I wanna mess around with randomizing scripts in Reaper but need to know how its named in Reaper so I can snap notes of my experiments to that scale so everything "works" together.
The list can save a lot of time when such information is needed, comparing notes and finding exact scale can take time in some cases.
That's why I spent several hours investigating how scale names correlate between Chord Prism - Reaper - Maschine.
Note : Komplete Kontrol most likely use the same setting as Maschine, haven't tested though.
If you are using some different DAW, at least you may find more info if your DAW doesn't have that exact scale name as in Chord Prism. Example:
Chord Prism: Neapolitan Major
in Reaper: Neopolitan Major
in Maschine: Phryg Major (note: not Neapolitan Major there!)
What I'm saying, if doesn't fit with your DAW to Neapolitan Major try to see if its NEOpolitan Major or Phrygian Major. The list can narrow results.
Screenshot 2021-08-27 235604.jpg
As in pic I'll go column by column, just gonna skip first one named Common since its standard so I guess they'll share name/notes across all DAWs.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Screenshot Harmonic Minor.jpg
= HARMONIC MINOR =
• Minor
in Reaper scale: Harmonic Minor
in Maschine- bank: Main Type: Harmonic Minor
• Locrian #6
in Reaper scale: Locrian Nat 6
in Maschine- bank: World Type: Mid East 3
• Major #5
in Reaper scale: Ionian Augmented
in Maschine- NO (no meaning as there is no such scale in there)
• Dorian #4
in Reaper scale: Dorian #4
in Maschine- bank: World Type: Jewish 2
• Phrygian Dominant
in Reaper scale: Mixolydian b9b13
in Maschine- bank: Main Type: Freygish
• Lydian #2
in Reaper scale: Lydian #9
in Maschine- NO
• Super Locrian bb7
in Reaper scale: Ultra Locrian 1
in Maschine- NO
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Screenshot Melodic Minor.jpg
= MELODIC MINOR =
• Minor
in Reaper scale: Medolic Minor (this isnt my typo)
in Maschine- bank: Minor Type: Minor Major
• Dorian b2
in Reaper scale: Dorian b2
in Maschine- NO
• Lydian Augmented
in Reaper scale: Lydian Aug
in Maschine- bank: Jazz Type: Lydian #5
• Lydian b7
in Reaper scale: Lydian b7
in Maschine- bank: Jazz Type: Lydian b7
• Mixolydian b6
in Reaper scale: Mixolydian b13
in Maschine- bank: Jazz Type: Mixolydian b13
• Locrian #2
in Reaper scale: Locrian Nat 9
in Maschine- bank: Modes Type: Minor Locrian
• Super Locrian
in Reaper scale: Alt Dominant / Hindi 5 flats / Super Locrian all sharps, etc.
in Maschine- bank: Modes Type: Super Locrian
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Screenshot Harmonic Major.jpg
= HARMONIC MAJOR =
• Major b6
in Reaper scale: Harmonic Major
in Maschine- bank: Major Type: Harmonic Major
• Dorian b5
in Reaper scale: Dorian b5
in Maschine- bank: Modes Type: Dorian b5
• Phrygian b4
in Reaper scale: Phrygian dim 4th
in Maschine- NO
• Lydian b3
in Reaper scale: Smyrneiko
in Maschine- bank: Modes Type: Lydian b3
• Mixolydian b2
in Reaper scale: Mixolydian b9
in Maschine- NO
• Super Lydian
in Reaper scale: Aeolian 2# 4# #5 / Aeolian Flat 3b 5b 6b 8b / Aeolian Flat b3 b5 b6
in Maschine- NO
• Locrian Diminished
in Reaper scale: Locrian bb7
in Maschine- NO
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Screenshot Misc.jpg
= MISC =
The most interesting one. I started my quest with those and I added some notes resulted from google search.
• Arabic
This is also known as Mayamalavagowla, Bhairav Raga, Byzantine scale, Arabic (Hijaz Kar), and Gypsy major, also double harmonic.
in Reaper scale: Hungarian Folk
in Maschine- bank: Main Type: Arabic
• Enigmatic
also known as Verdi's Enigmatic (Ascending)
in Reaper scale: Enigmatic
in Maschine- bank: Modern Type: Enigmatic
• Hungarian Major
in Reaper scale: Hungarian Major
in Maschine- bank: World Type: Hungarian Major
• Hungarian Minor
also known as Nihavent (Greek), Nawa Athar (Arabian),
Hungarian minor scale, double harmonic minor scale, or Gypsy minor scale.
in Reaper scale: Hungarian Gypsy 1 (not the first but second in the list-same name) from bank of scales: laptop edition
in Maschine- bank: World Type: Hungarian Minor
• Neapolitan Major
Kokilpriya (Indian)
In music, the major Neapolitan scale and the minor Neapolitan scale are two musical scales. Both scales are minor, despite their names.
in Reaper scale: Neopolitan Major
in Maschine- bank: Modes Type: Phryg Major (note: not Neapolitan Major there!)
• Neapolitan Minor
also known as neopolitan
in Reaper scale: Neopolitan Minor
in Maschine- bank: World Type: Neapolitan Minor / bank: Minor Type: Neapolitan Minor
• Persian
in Reaper scale: Persian
in Maschine- bank: World Type: Mid East 2
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Note for Reaper
For Reaper you gonna need Reascales by zappadave. You probably have them but if you don't, download from links bellow, put into Reaper Data folder and load inside midi editor.
Forum thread:
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=75857
zappadave "stash", choose there which one you like:
https://stash.reaper.fm/u/zappadave
I personally like this one the most, its compact:
https://stash.reaper.fm/v/27335/ZD-comp ... d.reascale
Here is detailed Reaper blog post how to use and install Reascales with pics:
https://reaperblog.net/2012/03/how-to-use-reascales/
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hope this info is helpful.
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