You happy with Studio One 3?

[Kraznet]

I think my original comment could imply that I'm one of the people that dislike it. However, I use it very frequently as I think it's the best tool out there for editing of multi-track instrument recordings.

I will say that my opinion of S1v1 was very low. S1v2 was marginal at best. V2 worked for what I needed, but every time I went to use it for something other than multi-track edits, I became frustrated and annoyed.

S1v3.1/2 were exceptionally annoying and unstable. I also really hate drag&drop. The whole UI is designed to try and convince you to use drag&drop for everything, even though after some work you can figure out how to avoid it almost entirely.

S1v3.3 though... I'm starting to think that it's an amazing product. You can see more about my current observations here: http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/2016/ ... te-v3.html

You can also read more about my impressions of Studio One here:
http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/2016/ ... tiOne.html
http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/2016/ ... eview.html
http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/2016/ ... niOne.html
http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/2016/ ... iOnes.html
http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/2016/ ... anual.html
http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/2016/ ... tiOne.html
http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/2016/ ... tiOne.html
http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/2016/ ... isOne.html

I really need to make those posts easily searchable or findable without browsing...

Hey!! Very interesting and informative website!!

[beatmangler443]

Quick quesitons to you guys.
1. Why didn't they put notion in studio one?
2. How are presonus able to do the software, hardware,monitors and come out with all this stuff compared to NI who are bigger company, but don't come out with as much products as them. Seems NI come out with less than presonus, but they are a bigger company. Even yamaha with steinberg kinda suprised their is not faderport 8 like for cubase 8 or that steinberg hasn't pushed Halion 5.
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[koolkeys]

Quick quesitons to you guys.
1. Why didn't they put notion in studio one?

Notion wasn't originally theirs. They do have some pretty close integration between S1 and Notion 6 though. You can send notes or audio between them in two clicks, and it is actually pretty slick. I'm guessing that in time, they would love to integrate the two. But since the core of Notion wasn't built by them, it may be harder. They have rebuilt a lot of Notion since they acquired it though, so who knows.

Brent

[beatmangler443]

Quick quesitons to you guys.
1. Why didn't they put notion in studio one?

Notion wasn't originally theirs. They do have some pretty close integration between S1 and Notion 6 though. You can send notes or audio between them in two clicks, and it is actually pretty slick. I'm guessing that in time, they would love to integrate the two. But since the core of Notion wasn't built by them, it may be harder. They have rebuilt a lot of Notion since they acquired it though, so who knows.

Brent

I forgot presonus bought them. Found some interviews and it sounds like they want them separate.

[bungle]

2. How are presonus able to do the software, hardware,monitors and come out with all this stuff compared to NI who are bigger company, but don't come out with as much products as them. Seems NI come out with less than presonus, but they are a bigger company. Even yamaha with steinberg kinda suprised their is not faderport 8 like for cubase 8 or that steinberg hasn't pushed Halion 5.
3.

What is your agenda ?
1. How do you know what NI are worth ?
2. How do you know what Presonus are worth ?
3. Why do you state complete guesswork as if it is fact ?
4. Why are you convinced NI are such a big company, you even once said that they are bigger than Roland, a claim so laughable that i nearly passed a kidney.

[LawrenceF]

Quick quesitons to you guys.1. Why didn't they put notion in studio one?

My random guess? Because they're two different products like Sibelius and PT. If the question is... "Why didn't they put a 'sub-set' of Notion's scoring in S1?" ... no idea. Maybe one day they will. It's only a version 3 product.

2. How are presonus able to do the software, hardware,monitors and come out with all this stuff compared to NI who are bigger company, but don't come out with as much products as them. Seems NI come out with less than presonus, but they are a bigger company. Even yamaha with steinberg kinda suprised their is not faderport 8 like for cubase 8 or that steinberg hasn't pushed Halion 5.

Although I don't know the comparative size of those two companies, I'm not sure if one thing has anything much to do with the other. Products, like hardware products, are the work of design engineers. You can (I suppose) have a team of engineers design all kinds of different stuff that people who work for other companies actually build. In that regard, it might be more a matter of money (investment) than people on your permanent payroll. No clue.

And some of it is acquiring other companies, like Notion and the other live sound speaker (or whatever) company they recently bought. No idea how many design or tech engineers work for PreSonus but I imagine there's quite a few given the range of products.

When you say "bigger company" what do you mean exactly, number of employees?

[Robert Randolph]

2. How are presonus able to do the software, hardware,monitors and come out with all this stuff compared to NI who are bigger company, but don't come out with as much products as them. Seems NI come out with less than presonus, but they are a bigger company. Even yamaha with steinberg kinda suprised their is not faderport 8 like for cubase 8 or that steinberg hasn't pushed Halion 5.
3.

What is your agenda ?
1. How do you know what NI are worth ?
2. How do you know what Presonus are worth ?
3. Why do you state complete guesswork as if it is fact ?
4. Why are you convinced NI are such a big company, you even once said that they are bigger than Roland, a claim so laughable that i nearly passed a kidney.

1.) 2.) 3.) Just google for "X financial data". NI is at least twice as big as presonus in terms of revenue. NI also appears to have about 3 as many employed persons.

[Robert Randolph]

I think my original comment could imply that I'm one of the people that dislike it. However, I use it very frequently as I think it's the best tool out there for editing of multi-track instrument recordings.

I will say that my opinion of S1v1 was very low. S1v2 was marginal at best. V2 worked for what I needed, but every time I went to use it for something other than multi-track edits, I became frustrated and annoyed.

S1v3.1/2 were exceptionally annoying and unstable. I also really hate drag&drop. The whole UI is designed to try and convince you to use drag&drop for everything, even though after some work you can figure out how to avoid it almost entirely.

S1v3.3 though... I'm starting to think that it's an amazing product. You can see more about my current observations here: http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/2016/ ... te-v3.html

You can also read more about my impressions of Studio One here:
http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/2016/ ... tiOne.html
http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/2016/ ... eview.html
http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/2016/ ... niOne.html
http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/2016/ ... iOnes.html
http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/2016/ ... anual.html
http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/2016/ ... tiOne.html
http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/2016/ ... tiOne.html
http://admiralbumblebee.com/music/2016/ ... isOne.html

I really need to make those posts easily searchable or findable without browsing...

Hey!! Very interesting and informative website!!

Thank you. Very nice to hear coming from you.

I've now made a site-map that pulls tags and builds a site-map from it. So it should be easier to browse by tags now.

[LawrenceF]

Nice pages.

Some of the objective things there need updating though. Some of it is unfamiliarity (ex: density of automation patterns = transformer tool) and some is feature updates (ex: the zoom tool).

Really nice job overall, but unless you use something a lot you'll always miss a few things.

[Robert Randolph]

Nice pages.

Some of the objective things there need updating though. Some of it is unfamiliarity (ex: density of automation patterns = transformer tool) and some is feature updates (ex: the zoom tool).

Really nice job overall, but unless you use something a lot you'll always miss a few things.

Please feel free to email me, message me or berate me publicly and correct these things. I definitely do not want to propagate any incorrect information.

The transformer tool does not replace automation density controls, as it only can change things after placement and it affects the automation placement itself. Proper automation density controls decimate or interpolate points, sometimes in real time, for both pencil-written and controller-written data.This can be particularly important for controllers that dump massive amounts of data when it's not needed, or for when high-precision/speed is needed for certain effects.

I also miss the ability to specify the intervals at which S1 will place data irrespective of PPQ or sample-precision. For dealing with some controllers, it can be quite useful.

I'm sure that for 99% of the population it's not really a make-or-break feature, but it does exist in other DAWs for a reason. Some of us abuse these things.

edit: I will be writing a post soon-ish about a number of things that I feel Studio One really got right.

[Orbit-50]

I love the crap out of Studio One 3. My only problem is the dark GUI and that horrible, confusingly cluttered looking mix console. Other than that, it's the most awesome DAW and works perfectly for me. GUI color scheme design seems to have been Presonus last priority with Studio One 3. I have the highest respect for Presonus and hope that one day that they will put some serious attention towards the aesthetics of Studio One 3.

[ATS]

I switched from FL Studio to Studio 1 and never looked back. Absolutely love it.

[Aliens]

GUI color scheme design seems to have been Presonus last priority with Studio One 3.

hope that one day that they will put some serious attention towards the aesthetics of Studio One 3.

Yerp!

[bungle]

2. How are presonus able to do the software, hardware,monitors and come out with all this stuff compared to NI who are bigger company, but don't come out with as much products as them. Seems NI come out with less than presonus, but they are a bigger company. Even yamaha with steinberg kinda suprised their is not faderport 8 like for cubase 8 or that steinberg hasn't pushed Halion 5.
3.

What is your agenda ?
1. How do you know what NI are worth ?
2. How do you know what Presonus are worth ?
3. Why do you state complete guesswork as if it is fact ?
4. Why are you convinced NI are such a big company, you even once said that they are bigger than Roland, a claim so laughable that i nearly passed a kidney.

1.) 2.) 3.) Just google for "X financial data". NI is at least twice as big as presonus in terms of revenue. NI also appears to have about 3 as many employed persons.

I wasn't asking you hahahaha
I guess you have never come across Beatmangler/Sopre/Skins before (He is a NI shill, most people are sure he works for NI) he claims that every company is smaller than NI, yes i know how to check for financial data, and have done so before when he claimed that NI were a bigger company than Roland

[kevvvvv]

Interesting that NI get a mention in this thread.

Although I use Kontakt all the time, their miniaturized hierarchical menu way of working is an anathema to me. It's the opposite of how intuitive GUIs should be.

Yet I'm sure NI have all their reasons for this (I can almost hear them say look you get great GUIs for instruments and hard stuff for the nerds)

Sonar used to be the same - endless fussy ways of working to do fairly simple daily operations. Yet when I queried Cakewalk I was told it must be this way, and generally made to feel an idiot for daring to question them.

Which is why I'm such a big S1 fan, as they've simplified daily operations more than any other DAW of its type.

I can also sympathise with Robert Randolph's comments. I read the links he kindly provided, and there's truth in there.

What I find amazing is that any of the S1 plugs are any good.

Manufacturer's plugs used to be a definite no-no and a 3rd party specialist plug always preferred, even if it meant spending to get one.

S1 at least give a comprehensive set of tools, so musicians can take their time when selecting 3rd party plugs, and not be rushed into a quick purchase because of a giant hole in the manufacturer's plug set.

And as the reviews mention, some S1 plugs are awesome.

I feel the standard compressor is meanly judged as lacking character, when additional multiband, VT1, RC500, tricomp and channel strip are provided as alternatives - so when taken collectively I feel S1 users are doing very well having a choice of 6 comps.

But fair enough - Ampire doesn't compare to Guitar Rig.

I won't get drawn into the esoteric side of mixing & automation, as I'm not a professional mixing engineer. But I suspect full time engineers will never truly like whatever they have, as there'll always be a fault they can find. And quite rightly so in most cases.

I guess we're all looking for best-fit to suit our daily ways. As a writer arranger I can do more in S1 in seconds flat. It really is close to perfect for me.

My biggest beef is laughable - the long loading time that samples take (Omni, Kontakt, Battery etc), which is why I'll often start working with Presence or Mai Tai, which are quite acceptable for getting a song going, unless I've already got some off-the-wall ideas already in mind.