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el-bo (formerly ebow) · Sun Oct 02, 2016 4:16 pm

jens wrote:It looks as if Repeater will be able to do everything Sigmund can't, while Sigmund can do everything Repeater can't.

And neither of them seem to do what Echoboy does

jens · Post by **jens** » Sun Oct 02, 2016 9:34 pm

Well, just like the new Sknote delay Repeater seems to cover a lot of the same ground as Echoboy... Sigmund on the other hand is a completely different beast of course - apples and oranges really...

what's your point by the way?

lolilol1975 · Post by **lolilol1975** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 6:11 am

I personally think that SoundToys products are overpriced and I believe I'm not the only one. In any case,
heavy pricing + iLok = thanks but no thanks

, even discounted.

jens · Post by **jens** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:19 am

Well, this is of course totally off topic here in this thread, but Soundtoys often offer heavy discounts and they run - contrary to Slate products, which require a physical dongle - on Ilok soft too, so that's not a big deal imo...

For me Soundtoys offer great value for money, even if not at their standard prices, which I indeed find overpriced too.

LFO8 · Post by **LFO8** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:56 am

lolilol1975 wrote:I personally think that SoundToys products are overpriced and I believe I'm not the only one. In any case,
heavy pricing + iLok = thanks but no thanks , even discounted.

I got the Soundtoys 4 bundle in the second hand market couple of years ago. Upgraded to Soundtoys 5 when that came out. In total it cost me just a little over $300,-

That's about $16,- per Soundtoys plugin

jens · Post by **jens** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 8:10 am

I paid a lot less than that for the bundle (without purchasing second hand)

ImNotDedYet · Post by **ImNotDedYet** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 12:43 pm

jens wrote:I paid a lot less than that for the bundle (without purchasing second hand)

Yeah, I think I got the bundle new for around $180 if I remember correctly. Just have to be patient and wait for the sales...

LFO8 · Post by **LFO8** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 1:29 pm

What I was trying to point out is that the statement "Soundtoys 5 is way too overprices" is a bit of an overstatement if you calculate it down to what it amounts to in price per plugin (when talking about the bundle).

rod_zero · Post by **rod_zero** » Mon Oct 03, 2016 2:48 pm

Even at 400 for the full bundle Soundtoys is not overpriced at all. And IMHo those are more interesting plugs than slate ones.

I don't count them as overpriced but the Fabfilter bundle is more expensive, the plug ins are more complex but they are less.

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Tue Oct 04, 2016 7:32 am

Okay... I contacted Slate Digital with the most asked questions in here. Got some quick answers, and I guess it's okay to forward them. They're still in the AES aftermath madness after all...

Q: Is Repeater a D16 release or Slate release?
A: It’s a collaboration product, we’ll be able to sell it and so will D16

Q: Copy protection being Serial (D16) or iLok2 (Slate Digital)?
A: It’s ilok2

Q: why was RELAB LX480 and FG-X dropped in new subscription bundles (and on the page), while old users/renewals still get them?
A: FG-X still in there (it was corrected on webpage). Relax LX480 question answered here in pinned post: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1566611190249801/ (INFO: those that don't have Facebook, need a login)

Q: why are the purchase links so hidden on the page?
A: New webshop link coming, we are updating the site daily (INFO: bottom of each plugin page!)

Q: VMS is not listed on your page anymore? Neither on Slate Pro Audio...
A: VMS page coming

For those already asking, how VerbSuite will be treated... as far as I understood it from the mail conversation, it will be similar to the D16 collaboration. Both companies will release it, but it will be iLok2. But then again, we will know for sure once it'll actually be released.

jens · Post by **jens** » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:04 am

That makes it look as if Repeater requires an Ilok dongle even if purchased from D16 - that would be really bad. I hope I am misreading it.

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:05 am

No, this is the answer I got.

If you want double proof, contact D16 Group. I'm aware of their viewpoint on CP schemes. But if they will sell it as well, and they say "it'll be iLok2 - since it's a collaboration with Slate Digital" - then so be it.

In fact, Liquid Sonics (the developer of the great "Reverberate IR" plugin!) uses a keyfile as well. Will people also go bat guano if the announcement is "hey, iLok2!"? (warning: rhetoric!)

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:10 am

Compyfox wrote: Q: why was RELAB LX480 and FG-X dropped in new subscription bundles (and on the page), while old users/renewals still get them?
A: FG-X still in there (it was corrected on webpage). Relax LX480 question answered here in pinned post: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1566611190249801/ (INFO: those that don't have Facebook, need a login)

So why then?

e@rs · Post by **e@rs** » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:47 am

For Repeater they should offer both keyfile and iLok options.

Also curious about the price: still in line with D16's Silverline range or up to Slate's? But since it's black I expect the worse...

Richard deHove · Post by **Richard deHove** » Tue Oct 04, 2016 8:53 am

lolilol1975 wrote:
Richard deHove wrote:Subscription only? What a relief. Usually I'm tempted to buy every new delay, but with subscription pricing I can now confidently ignore their products forever.
Cool down, the Slate plugins are available for buying as well.

Nope, don't think so.

New Slate fx !!!!