Hardware vs software synths take infinity : topic initial focus Andromeda A6

[V0RT3X]

More Andromeda goodness.
https://soundcloud.com/taevalaotus/comp ... s-snippets

[ObsoleteAcc99]

no wasted time.. just seeking the best as time goes on.. does that sufficiently answer you?

So you owned an Andromeda earlier, but sold it, because of storage issues when you went travelling?

nope.

[V0RT3X]

By the end of the upcoming summer I"ll have enough cash to buy one of these. As much as I love the idea of owning one, I'm not too sure I'm serious enough as a musician to justify this purchase, so I'm on the fence right now. $5000.00 CDN is a lot of dough to blow on a synthesizer.

With that kind of money I could buy a decent video & graphics editing system (Which is necessary for my line of work) so it might just be better to get what I need for speeding up my workflow demands instead. As much as I love music, it's not the focus in my life..

IF i did music or sound design professionally, then I would buy hardware synthesizers in a heartbeat because I could justify the price-tag and potentially make the money back in sales. Until then what I do with electronic music is really just a side-hobby. My main passion is film production and story telling.

Maybe one of these days my film & story stuff will pay off and I'll be able to afford a HW playground. So far my dream HW synthesizers are the following..

- Alesis Andromeda A6
https://soundcloud.com/synth4ever/deser ... ynthesizer

- Oberheim Matrix-12
https://soundcloud.com/soundload-1/ober ... ix-12-demo

- Modal Electronics 002
https://soundcloud.com/aimnbreak/modal-002-patches-v1

- DSI Prophet-12
https://soundcloud.com/boxed-ear/boxed- ... -bank-demo

- Moog Memorymoog
https://soundcloud.com/analogsweden/dx-futurism-hr-fm

- DSI OB-6
https://soundcloud.com/peff/dsisequenti ... 6-programs

And then I have a huge Modular interest as well.. so yah

it's probably a good thing I don't get on board the HW train because it would probably make me broke pretty quick.

[Elektronisch]

yeah it's the boss.
i'm not into comparing shit though, it's a waste of time.
This box of capacitors is good for this sound, that one is good for that sound.
Just use whatever you want to make some flipping music, or mass-debate the topic over and over, missing the point.

All of reality is digital, analog is digital, we just don't have high enough resolution algorithm at this moment in time that matches the analog sound. or however the science wordy stuff goes.
on, off, on, on, off
electrical signals interpreted by the brain.

sorry Theo, if you need me, i'll be back under that rock over there.
Good luck in your search, it's a fecking HEAVY beast. Like 30kg or something.
Not for gigging

I never gig man. I am a home studio guy.

I get the pointless point (hehe)..

BUT.. there are so many people here that for example state diva sounds as good as any hardware.. so i want proof for once.. All i have ever seen are the raw square and sine waves for example being shown, but i want patches that sound as good. THAT's the proof to me. I am not trolling btw, i never intend to do anything like that, so please note everyone reading this, this topic is a genuine as can be. I would LOVE for someone to show me ANY vst, sampled or algorithmic sounding as good, so i can put a sock in my mouth about it all. Really. I love to be proven wrong.

You want proof?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QONS0iE5ho

[pdxindy]

If one could buy an Andromeda new today, I would get one. It is a gorgeous instrument with tremendous depth.

That said, and I am not comparing or making any claims of one over the other... I get some pad sounds from Diva that are exquisitely beautiful. I make plenty of sounds with softsynths that simply could not be any better.

Then there is the Analog Rytm. Nothing in software compares to it.

I don't see it as either/or. If you find an instrument that just does it for you, hardware or software, then run with it. The Analog Rytm and Bazille are both irreplaceable for me.

[chk071]

yeah it's the boss.
i'm not into comparing shit though, it's a waste of time.
This box of capacitors is good for this sound, that one is good for that sound.
Just use whatever you want to make some flipping music, or mass-debate the topic over and over, missing the point.

All of reality is digital, analog is digital, we just don't have high enough resolution algorithm at this moment in time that matches the analog sound. or however the science wordy stuff goes.
on, off, on, on, off
electrical signals interpreted by the brain.

sorry Theo, if you need me, i'll be back under that rock over there.
Good luck in your search, it's a fecking HEAVY beast. Like 30kg or something.
Not for gigging

I never gig man. I am a home studio guy.

I get the pointless point (hehe)..

BUT.. there are so many people here that for example state diva sounds as good as any hardware.. so i want proof for once.. All i have ever seen are the raw square and sine waves for example being shown, but i want patches that sound as good. THAT's the proof to me. I am not trolling btw, i never intend to do anything like that, so please note everyone reading this, this topic is a genuine as can be. I would LOVE for someone to show me ANY vst, sampled or algorithmic sounding as good, so i can put a sock in my mouth about it all. Really. I love to be proven wrong.

You want proof?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QONS0iE5ho

As has been argued to death, that's no proof, just a well made fake test to promote a soundset, and the used synth.

[Elektronisch]

yeah it's the boss.
i'm not into comparing shit though, it's a waste of time.
This box of capacitors is good for this sound, that one is good for that sound.
Just use whatever you want to make some flipping music, or mass-debate the topic over and over, missing the point.

All of reality is digital, analog is digital, we just don't have high enough resolution algorithm at this moment in time that matches the analog sound. or however the science wordy stuff goes.
on, off, on, on, off
electrical signals interpreted by the brain.

sorry Theo, if you need me, i'll be back under that rock over there.
Good luck in your search, it's a fecking HEAVY beast. Like 30kg or something.
Not for gigging

I never gig man. I am a home studio guy.

I get the pointless point (hehe)..

BUT.. there are so many people here that for example state diva sounds as good as any hardware.. so i want proof for once.. All i have ever seen are the raw square and sine waves for example being shown, but i want patches that sound as good. THAT's the proof to me. I am not trolling btw, i never intend to do anything like that, so please note everyone reading this, this topic is a genuine as can be. I would LOVE for someone to show me ANY vst, sampled or algorithmic sounding as good, so i can put a sock in my mouth about it all. Really. I love to be proven wrong.

You want proof?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QONS0iE5ho

As has been argued to death, that's no proof, just a well made fake test to promote a soundset, and the used synth.

First of all what does it make no proof? the guy asked that want patches that sound good.

Well why do you think its fake? whats wrong with promoting a soundbank by comparisom?

presets alone sounds really good

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSQ6vzKMaKQ

Luftrum soundbank demo that uses diva sounds warm and deep

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6en5u_PLRCE

[recursive one]

More Andromeda goodness.
https://soundcloud.com/taevalaotus/comp ... s-snippets

Call me weird, but I don't find this sounding especially impressive. Right before that I was listening to a sound clip of an old synth built into logic and actually liked the sound more. I'm not trying to troll or anything, maybe I'm just not into analog sound at all, however I do like Diva.

[chk071]

- Alesis Andromeda A6
https://soundcloud.com/synth4ever/deser ... ynthesizer

Urs was right. Nice sounding reverb there. If it's the onboard one of course.

[Numanoid]

...but according to Sound on Sound review fx onboard is only monotimbral.

[cryophonik]

I had an opportunity to buy an A6 for around $3500 (IIRC) just after Alesis confirmed that it would be discontinued. That was actually a great price at the time and I was GAS'ing pretty hard for it. I listened to every demo I could find and ultimately found myself thinking, meh, sounds nice, but not nicer than many of the other less expensive hardware I owned/have owned and certainly not worth the hype-driven inflated price IMO. I also decided that it was too big to fit into my studio and had a fugly UI. So, I passed. Listening to some of the demos here I don't regret my decision. I still think it sounds like a good analog synth, but if there's some Andromeda-exclusive mojo going on in those demos, I'm not hearing it.

[V0RT3X]

I just found out that DSI has added the ability to poly-chain two Prophet-6s together to make a 12-voice monster! :O

https://www.davesmithinstruments.com/wp ... dendum.pdf

Poly-Chaining Two Prophet-6 Synthesizers
If you have two Prophet-6 synthesizers of any type (modules or keyboards) you can
link them together with MIDI to increase the total available polyphony to 12 voices.
We call this poly chaining. If you have a Prophet-6 keyboard and a Prophet-6 module,
you will use the keyboard as the master and the module as the slave.


I imagine the OB-6 will have this feature soon too. Now that would be nice, to own 2 OB-6 Desktops for a 12-voice Oberheim..

[chk071]

yeah it's the boss.
i'm not into comparing shit though, it's a waste of time.
This box of capacitors is good for this sound, that one is good for that sound.
Just use whatever you want to make some flipping music, or mass-debate the topic over and over, missing the point.

All of reality is digital, analog is digital, we just don't have high enough resolution algorithm at this moment in time that matches the analog sound. or however the science wordy stuff goes.
on, off, on, on, off
electrical signals interpreted by the brain.

sorry Theo, if you need me, i'll be back under that rock over there.
Good luck in your search, it's a fecking HEAVY beast. Like 30kg or something.
Not for gigging

I never gig man. I am a home studio guy.

I get the pointless point (hehe)..

BUT.. there are so many people here that for example state diva sounds as good as any hardware.. so i want proof for once.. All i have ever seen are the raw square and sine waves for example being shown, but i want patches that sound as good. THAT's the proof to me. I am not trolling btw, i never intend to do anything like that, so please note everyone reading this, this topic is a genuine as can be. I would LOVE for someone to show me ANY vst, sampled or algorithmic sounding as good, so i can put a sock in my mouth about it all. Really. I love to be proven wrong.

You want proof?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QONS0iE5ho

As has been argued to death, that's no proof, just a well made fake test to promote a soundset, and the used synth.

First of all what does it make no proof? the guy asked that want patches that sound good.

Well why do you think its fake? whats wrong with promoting a soundbank by comparisom?

Give me a hardware synth, and a similar software synth, and i'll create a A/B sound test in which i add some noise to the soft synth, to make it sound more analog, add some instability, and other stuff which is present in the analog synth, and i won't have a problem to make the one or the other sound "better". It's really no problem. And the guy surely had an interest to promote his soundset, don't you think? How very counterproductive would it have been if his patches weren't close to analog sounds. The test was not only biased, it wasn't a test at all. A test is made by non-biased person, who don't want to prove somthing, but want to let people decide, which sounds better, more analog or whatever. The truth is though, such a test is impossible. What do you want to do, add noise and instability to the soft synth, and thereby alter it's general and original sound? That's cheating already. A soft synth doesn't have, or need noise in the signal path. And it does not have, or need instability in the oscillators, or some non-linearities in the filter. It's all fake, and cheat, therefor a comparison is never fair.

[Numanoid]

Well why do you think its fake? whats wrong with promoting a soundbank by comparisom?

So did I get pelted with stones when suggestion Shortnoise as a free alternative to Lethal?

Then it was not OK, now it is OK suddenly.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

yeah it's the boss.
i'm not into comparing shit though, it's a waste of time.
This box of capacitors is good for this sound, that one is good for that sound.
Just use whatever you want to make some flipping music, or mass-debate the topic over and over, missing the point.

All of reality is digital, analog is digital, we just don't have high enough resolution algorithm at this moment in time that matches the analog sound. or however the science wordy stuff goes.
on, off, on, on, off
electrical signals interpreted by the brain.

sorry Theo, if you need me, i'll be back under that rock over there.
Good luck in your search, it's a fecking HEAVY beast. Like 30kg or something.
Not for gigging

I never gig man. I am a home studio guy.

I get the pointless point (hehe)..

BUT.. there are so many people here that for example state diva sounds as good as any hardware.. so i want proof for once.. All i have ever seen are the raw square and sine waves for example being shown, but i want patches that sound as good. THAT's the proof to me. I am not trolling btw, i never intend to do anything like that, so please note everyone reading this, this topic is a genuine as can be. I would LOVE for someone to show me ANY vst, sampled or algorithmic sounding as good, so i can put a sock in my mouth about it all. Really. I love to be proven wrong.

You want proof?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QONS0iE5ho