D16 Group teases PunchBOX
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- Banned
- 22457 posts since 5 Sep, 2001
Ok I listened to all the audio demos, and no i'm not that impressed.
Regardless, this is not a multi gigabyte library where a small limited demo makes sense. That's really disappointing that the demo won't let one audition all included kicks. Since i made a rule never to buy anything again where i can't demo it 100%, then this isn't for me.
I really like the workflow and gui of the d16, but not so much the results. Whereas metrum workflow is not the best, honestly, weird gui choices and some tiny elements, but it sounds great and very diverse.
In the AUDIO demos of punchbox, i found what i found in the plugin demo... seemingly constant minor variations of one kick. I'm not hearing a huge sonic palette.
I am also disappointed with SA kick 2, and the artist pack included, i wish i never upgraded, 25 pounds (50 aud) gone. Oh well..
I'll stick with metrum for now, and await my coming machinedrum, which is meant to be amazing at kicks.
Bazzism demo is pretty impressive and punchy, and i'll give guda another try too.
One thing i love about bazzism is the easy pitch matching to project. Probably worth 30 euros no matter what But C/R and one small indi dev.. that always worries me.
I find multi tool things like tattoo, and microtonic, weak for kicks (especially the latter). But they are great at percussion.
In other words, the main problem I face is, that so far, i find all the "all in one" drum plugins, just not good enough for kicks.
I really would love an edm drum instrument that does *everything* super well.
But still, it's a good idea to have a big variety of drum tools IMO. You can never have enough.
Machine drum will be useful and fun, but it won't negate the need for software drum machines. Perhaps when i can eventually afford an analog rytm, between that and machinedrum that will be all i need. Time will tell.
I'll also check out stix just in case it's the all in one that does do it all, well.
BTW since it's on sale will give heartbeat a go as well. That seems to cover tons of different sounds. I could be wrong.
Regardless, this is not a multi gigabyte library where a small limited demo makes sense. That's really disappointing that the demo won't let one audition all included kicks. Since i made a rule never to buy anything again where i can't demo it 100%, then this isn't for me.
I really like the workflow and gui of the d16, but not so much the results. Whereas metrum workflow is not the best, honestly, weird gui choices and some tiny elements, but it sounds great and very diverse.
In the AUDIO demos of punchbox, i found what i found in the plugin demo... seemingly constant minor variations of one kick. I'm not hearing a huge sonic palette.
I am also disappointed with SA kick 2, and the artist pack included, i wish i never upgraded, 25 pounds (50 aud) gone. Oh well..
I'll stick with metrum for now, and await my coming machinedrum, which is meant to be amazing at kicks.
Bazzism demo is pretty impressive and punchy, and i'll give guda another try too.
One thing i love about bazzism is the easy pitch matching to project. Probably worth 30 euros no matter what But C/R and one small indi dev.. that always worries me.
I find multi tool things like tattoo, and microtonic, weak for kicks (especially the latter). But they are great at percussion.
In other words, the main problem I face is, that so far, i find all the "all in one" drum plugins, just not good enough for kicks.
I really would love an edm drum instrument that does *everything* super well.
But still, it's a good idea to have a big variety of drum tools IMO. You can never have enough.
Machine drum will be useful and fun, but it won't negate the need for software drum machines. Perhaps when i can eventually afford an analog rytm, between that and machinedrum that will be all i need. Time will tell.
I'll also check out stix just in case it's the all in one that does do it all, well.
BTW since it's on sale will give heartbeat a go as well. That seems to cover tons of different sounds. I could be wrong.
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- KVRist
- 166 posts since 20 May, 2016
Too many people bitch about presets. They almost always suck (especially SA KICK 2 presets) and almost never fit into your productions anyway. This is especially true with kick samples.
The true value of a kick synth is what you can create with it yourself. In terms of synthesis, nothing beats KICK 2 IMO. It´s incredibly diverse. What I don´t like about Punchbox is that all kick drums I come up with (from its synthesis section) tend to have the same characteristics, with slight variations. This doesn´t mean I don´t like the sound of Punchbox. It seems to do well in genres like Techno and Tech House. But of course, if you import your own samples the sonic palette increases ten fold.
For a person owning KICK 2, Metrum, BazzIsm and BigKick, it´s not a priority to get Punchbox.
The true value of a kick synth is what you can create with it yourself. In terms of synthesis, nothing beats KICK 2 IMO. It´s incredibly diverse. What I don´t like about Punchbox is that all kick drums I come up with (from its synthesis section) tend to have the same characteristics, with slight variations. This doesn´t mean I don´t like the sound of Punchbox. It seems to do well in genres like Techno and Tech House. But of course, if you import your own samples the sonic palette increases ten fold.
For a person owning KICK 2, Metrum, BazzIsm and BigKick, it´s not a priority to get Punchbox.
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- KVRAF
- 15135 posts since 7 Sep, 2008
This is my dilemma. I'm a self-confessed D16 fanboi, however Kick2 covers my needs and then some.Ohlson_M wrote:For a person owning KICK 2, Metrum, BazzIsm and BigKick, it´s not a priority to get Punchbox.
Decisions
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- Banned
- 22457 posts since 5 Sep, 2001
where was i bitching? I just advised i didn't like the included presets due to lack of variety, and it was suggested i listen to the audio demos on the d16 site which I did, cause the the demo doesn't include all the sounds. And all i heard in the audio demos was the same kick over and over again. Does coming out with an opinion of not liking a factory library constitute bitching does it? How could I have put it more politely?Ohlson_M wrote:Too many people bitch about presets. They almost always suck (especially SA KICK 2 presets) and almost never fit into your productions anyway. This is especially true with kick samples.
The true value of a kick synth is what you can create with it yourself. In terms of synthesis, nothing beats KICK 2 IMO. It´s incredibly diverse. What I don´t like about Punchbox is that all kick drums I come up with (from its synthesis section) tend to have the same characteristics, with slight variations. This doesn´t mean I don´t like the sound of Punchbox. It seems to do well in genres like Techno and Tech House. But of course, if you import your own samples the sonic palette increases ten fold.
For a person owning KICK 2, Metrum, BazzIsm and BigKick, it´s not a priority to get Punchbox.
And a drum plugin's included presets SHOULD be representative of what one can do.
I have never heard of such a thing before that kick presets almost always suck.. that's just wrong IMO. There are sample libraries out there and other plugins that have great sounding kicks, not needing any tweaking even. Ready to use and fit with your project's sound.
That said, the bit in bold, is why i don't like punchbox. We agree there. So i am not the only one.
For samples, i already have punch and metrum, so you are right, punchbox is of no use. I was hoping it's synthesis would be spectacular. It's not.
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- KVRist
- 166 posts since 20 May, 2016
I could have used a better word. My main point is that IMO, most of the drum synth presets I have listened to are useless. 9/10 sounds bad and plain weird. Its the same with kick samples, therefore I don't judge the synth by its presets, even if that should be the case. As you say, they should reflect what the synth is capable of but often the presets are incredibly badly programmed.
I dont like the demo presets from Punchbox, but I like what I can program myself inside Punchbox, even if the synthesis section feels limited.
I dont like the demo presets from Punchbox, but I like what I can program myself inside Punchbox, even if the synthesis section feels limited.
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- KVRist
- 303 posts since 2 Jun, 2006 from Germany
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- KVRAF
- 2147 posts since 30 Oct, 2006 from Australia, NSW
You can easily fashion snare n hats and claps from Punchboxthecontrolcentre wrote:I would expect a snare module next, followed closely by a hi-hat/cymbal rack module.sin night wrote: The only thing I'm unsure is why just bass drums...
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Patches for PHASEPLANT ACE,PREDATOR, SYNPLANT, SUB BOOM BASS2,PUNCH , PUNCH BD
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Patches for PHASEPLANT ACE,PREDATOR, SYNPLANT, SUB BOOM BASS2,PUNCH , PUNCH BD
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- KVRAF
- 5948 posts since 8 Jul, 2009
I bought Punchbox. Thanks to you, you mentioned Metrum, so I downloaded it and tried it out comparing it to Punchbox. For me PB was an easy winner. first of all, Metrum requires a eLicenser - I have one but feel I was forced into buying it because of Waldorf's completely stupid licensing policy (in fact there are some details about it most don't know and if they transfer a Waldorf license, the new license holder likely will not be able to replace it if they lose it even if its on the eLicenser). Also Metrum's GUI, well, basically sucks, for me. It was so bad it was effectively unusable (by me). But that's just me, YMWV. Also Metrum was more about layering samples than about processing them, where-as PB's approach is more about processing samples. I can understand why some say that Metrum has more variation in sound, because its all in the samples (primarilly). Where-as PB is more about the processing. So for me, I found PB a better fit because it's more about dialling in your own sound rather than calling up sounds. I am sure if I was forced to use Metrum I would learn it's processing engine but PB just came more naturally and its much more fun to work with. Metrum was not fun for me to work with because of the UI (very small vague controls). The other thing I like about PB is the synthesized drum selection. and it's cheaper (especially using the 20E off coupon). so there it is. thanks for the hears up on Metrum too, it was interesting to try it.
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- KVRist
- 251 posts since 19 Jan, 2008 from Poland
this thing is amazing. i can get the kick i need faster and easier then with the KICK 2.
- KVRist
- 234 posts since 1 Sep, 2003 from Studio Telex
I like it, used it on the last two tracks and it handles its role well and is easy to get good results from.
But on Live 9.6 on OSX El Capitan it sometimes goes silent and requires opening the edit window to bring it back to life. No big one but annoying and live it would be embarrassing.
But on Live 9.6 on OSX El Capitan it sometimes goes silent and requires opening the edit window to bring it back to life. No big one but annoying and live it would be embarrassing.
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- KVRist
- 79 posts since 8 Sep, 2013 from carousel city
Is your version paid? I have that happening on Win 8.1 as well. I still have the demo installed, so I figured it was part of the demo limitations.gunark wrote:
But on Live 9.6 on OSX El Capitan it sometimes goes silent and requires opening the edit window to bring it back to life. No big one but annoying and live it would be embarrassing.
- KVRist
- 234 posts since 1 Sep, 2003 from Studio Telex
Yep full version.dtomaloff wrote:Is your version paid? I have that happening on Win 8.1 as well. I still have the demo installed, so I figured it was part of the demo limitations.gunark wrote:
But on Live 9.6 on OSX El Capitan it sometimes goes silent and requires opening the edit window to bring it back to life. No big one but annoying and live it would be embarrassing.
- KVRAF
- 5054 posts since 16 May, 2002 from Brisbane , Australia
I reported this bug (Reaper on Win 7 x64). They said it was an issue they are starting to explore starting next week. They've had several reports about it. I'd say add your name to the list just so they are aware how wide spread it is (i.e. different DAW and OS systems)gunark wrote:Yep full version.dtomaloff wrote:Is your version paid? I have that happening on Win 8.1 as well. I still have the demo installed, so I figured it was part of the demo limitations.gunark wrote:
But on Live 9.6 on OSX El Capitan it sometimes goes silent and requires opening the edit window to bring it back to life. No big one but annoying and live it would be embarrassing.
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- KVRAF
- 5201 posts since 6 May, 2002
elicenser is a better option than C/R which is what d16 has changed their copy protection to. Once d16 disappears so will your ability to activate Punchbox.plexuss wrote:I bought Punchbox. Thanks to you, you mentioned Metrum, so I downloaded it and tried it out comparing it to Punchbox. For me PB was an easy winner. first of all, Metrum requires a eLicenser - I have one but feel I was forced into buying it because of Waldorf's completely stupid licensing policy (in fact there are some details about it most don't know and if they transfer a Waldorf license, the new license holder likely will not be able to replace it if they lose it even if its on the eLicenser).
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- KVRist
- 161 posts since 22 Jun, 2014
I bought it today and really like it. You have to work quite hard to produce bad sounding kicks on it. The only other kick generator I have is Big Kick and I I don't think it will get much use anymore after testing Punch Box out.
I also like the fact that I can load any type of sound into the sample section, claps, hats, percs etc and use the effects to add more character to them.
Pretty cool in my opinion!
I also like the fact that I can load any type of sound into the sample section, claps, hats, percs etc and use the effects to add more character to them.
Pretty cool in my opinion!