Something in between Turnado and Molekular

[KTlin]

Hi

I'm still looking for a modular multi-FX with plenty of effect types (especially the granular/stutter stuff, but some more bread-and-butter stuff as well) and with a powerful routing and modulation scheme.

So far I tried Turnado and Molekular and while both of them are great, none is exactly what I need.

Turnado - pro: a lot of effect types, great stutter/granular stuff, decent interface and workflow
- cons: the signal routing is extremely limited. Only two choices: serial or dynamic (which is useless for my needs). No parallel/multi-band/L-R/M-S processing. Also, the modulation is quite limited (it's impossible to apply an LFO to multiple parameters in different amounts, for example) and some effects have too few parameters.

Molekular - pro: excellent modulation, nice routing possibilities, interesting effects, macros
- cons: CPU usage is horrible, a lot of the effects are more on the experimental/exotic side, not enough "traditional" effects for my needs, doesn't really have the stutter/looper/slicer type of effects like the ones in Turnado, limited to only 4 effects per instance, the majority of effects can be used only once per instance (this is a huge limitation, imo)

Any ideas? Is there something I missed? Something in betwen Turnado and Molekular?

[Lejurai]

http://glitchmachines.com/products/quadrant/

Generally glitchmachines stuff is awesome and nicely priced.

[dredd i knight]

Maybe Dimitry Sches Tantra?
http://dmitrysches.com/tantra

[synzh]

+1 Tantra

[bhy]

Guitar Rig with the Traktors 12 modules.

The effects are a bit basic, but still sound great. Stutters, stretches, pitch shifting, resochord for cool resonance effects, grain delays, lots of bread and butter stuff, flangers, phasers, chorus, bit crushers, compressors, reverbs, delays and lots more.

You can create basic mid/side and multiband splits using splitting modules.

You can apply modulators (multi breakpoint envelopes, lfos, basic step sequencers, envelope followers) to multiple destinations. Low cpu, extremely flexible, easy to understand.

[ChamomileShark]

I'd also say look at Guitar Rig if you feel that Molekular is too exotic.

[KTlin]

Thanks for your input, guys!

http://glitchmachines.com/products/quadrant

I've heard about Quadrant in the past, but its interface is not really my cup of tea. I'll give it another try, though.

Maybe Dimitry Sches Tantra?

+1 Tantra

Tantra is interesting. I checked it out a couple months ago, but it has some limitations:
- the routing scheme is a little better than Turnado's (having two groups of effects that can run in series or parallel) but still not versatile enough for what I need; Molekular's routing capabilities are still way better.
- no macros
- no LFO's (of course you can mimic an LFO using the curves, but that would be very cumbersome especially if you need to modulate the LFO speed or to get random modulation), no envelope follower
- like in Molekular, you can't use the same type of effect multiple times. For example, in group A I might want to use the following chain of effects: filter>glitch>glitch>delay>filter and on group B: filter>distorsion>filter>delay>delay . You can do that in Turnado (in the sense that you can have multiple instances of the same type of effect), but not in Tantra.

What I like about Tantra is that, unlike Turnado, you have access to all the parameters of the effects, on one single page. That is awesome. In Turnado every effect has its own page of parameters.

I've also tried Loomer's Sequent, which is very similar to Tantra. It has much better routing capabilities, truly modular! But other than that, it pretty much has the same limitations as the ones I mentioned above for Tantra.

Guitar Rig with the Traktors 12 modules.

I'd also say look at Guitar Rig if you feel that Molekular is too exotic.

This is exactly what I'm using at the moment. Guitar Rig with the Traktors modules. A really awesome and powerful combination. You can create some extremely complex patches without killing the CPU. And, besides Traktor modules, you have access to all the effects in Guitar Rig: compressors, EQs, amp/cabinet simulators, delays, reverbs, distortions, etc etc, and you can insert the same module as many times as you want. Also, and this is very very cool, you can create complex routing schemes (serial, parallel, multi-band, L-R, M-S) using the Crossover, the Split, and the Split MS modules.
The only problems I have with GuitarRig are:
- the granular/stutter effects from the Traktors modules are a little on the simple side, basic, as bhy said
- when creating complex chains of effect with parallel/L-R/M-S/Multiband spliting, things start to get pretty confusing because there's no simple overview of all the routings. A diagram view like the one in Loomer's Sequent would have been extremely useful. Something like this:

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Cheers

[terminus_one]

Check out MXXX (https://www.meldaproduction.com/MXXX)

[KTlin]

Check out MXXX (https://www.meldaproduction.com/MXXX)

I have the cheaper version, the MXXX Core (the full MXXX, at 1.000 Euros is stupidly expensive).
Problems:
- in order to have a decent range of effects to use in MXXXCore, I'd have to spend at least another 200-300$ (probably more), because the effects that comes bundled with MXXXCore are very limited, to say the least. Too bad you can't use the MFreeBundle effects inside MXXXCore. That would have been awesome.
- a lot of features, although powerful and deep, are implemented in such a cumbersome and unintuitive way. Especially the modulation, the macros and the signal splitting. After you see how elegant and straightforward these things are implemented in stuff like Kilohearts Multipass/SnapHeap for example, MXXX begins to feel like a fun-killing and unnecessarily complicated scientific tool.

[Lejurai]

MXXX has all melda plugins inside? So it's quite nicely priced plus it's currently -50% https://www.meldaproduction.com/MXXX

[KTlin]

MXXX has all melda plugins inside? So it's quite nicely priced plus it's currently -50%

Even with the 50% discount, at 500 Euros it's way over my budget. And I really don't need all those 70+ plugins. There's a lot of redundancy in there, imo. (7 equalizers? c'mon )

[Sampleconstruct]

MXXX has all melda plugins inside? So it's quite nicely priced plus it's currently -50%

Even with the 50% discount, at 500 Euros it's way over my budget. And I really don't need all those 70+ plugins. There's a lot of redundancy in there, imo. (7 equalizers? c'mon )

The way to go is to just get MXXX Core, then you can only use those modules which you have licensed and you don't need to get all those redundant duplicates, but the concept of MXXX is simply brilliant, totally up to par with anything mentioned here plus some and then some more.

Here is a YT-playlist with my MXXX (Core) experiments:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyBP4N0 ... 28MV4PVJ2d

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some Molekular:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZ5JMNd ... zKO8_7b6nM

https://soundcloud.com/sampleconstruct/ ... -molekular

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

MXXX has all melda plugins inside? So it's quite nicely priced plus it's currently -50%

Even with the 50% discount, at 500 Euros it's way over my budget. And I really don't need all those 70+ plugins. There's a lot of redundancy in there, imo. (7 equalizers? c'mon )

Check out the multiband rhythmiser. The multiband aspect makes such a difference. There seem to be some great effects within, though I have yet to put too much time into the demo

It might be what you are after

[ObsoleteAcc99]

Here is a YT-playlist with my MXXX (Core) experiments:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QyBP4N0 ... 28MV4PVJ2d

Yawn.

What's so special about that? Turnado in itself can do much crazier sounds than that, as well as just daw insert fx chains.

[KTlin]

The way to go is to just get MXXX Core, then you can only use those modules which you have licensed and you don't need to get all those redundant duplicates...

Yes, this is exactly what I did. I bought the MXXX Core and the MMultiBandGranular some time ago in the EternalDiscount sale. In the future, I'll probably get the MRhytmizer, the MultiBandDelay, the convolution reverb and a couple of others (2-3, maybe 5 more).
But as I said earlier, I'm not very happy with some aspects of MXXX workflow.