KVR Audio

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:20 pm

rp314 wrote:When I was a youngster I recall some mention of the 3 great Bs, referring, of course, to Bach, Beethoven and Brahms, and I remember thinking how arbitrary that kind of classification was. That said, and without taking into account all the requirements (pre-WWII, orchestral, etc.) I would now like to propose that any serious conversation on this topic not ignore the X, Y, Zs of modern music.

Xenakis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZazYFchLRI
Zorn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bucQXimcU5s
Zappa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTeTUse0dy0
Someone else can supply the Ys...

Thanks to all for taking the time to educate me on classical music.

I had heard Xenakis Metastasis a few time before. The first time I hated it but in subsequent occasions I began to like. I am still not crazy about Metastasis but will get it just to see if I now appreciate it more.

Zorn is not for me. Zappa I like a bit but when there is so much more music that I like why compromise?

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:27 pm

rp314 wrote:Elliott Carter who was born before the premiere of Stravinsky's The Firebird and while Mahler and Debussy were still alive, yet lived long enough to compose works in this millennium:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U_tb0JY2O5U

Will definitely check Carter out. Thanks.

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:31 pm

herodotus wrote:Conlon Nancarrow, mad scientist:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2gVhBxwRqg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kdm04Rz3wTk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFz2lCEkjFk

In an earlier time I may have liked the player piano music. I prefer full orchestra granted with many exceptions.

Taifunk · Post by **Taifunk** » Fri Apr 03, 2015 11:57 pm

I'm not very experienced in classical music but I would suggest these

Giovanni Allevi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZDZGMrltOg
Nicola Piovani
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyV6eTmqXNE
and if you want something more modern
Dardust
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlkDFQxIbw4

and especially all the music of Ennio Morricone

ZeePok · Post by **ZeePok** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:15 am

rp314 wrote:(...)
Someone else can supply the Ys...

Yanni?

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:46 am

rp314 wrote:Franco Donatoni
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kie8T0e6hq4

Close to liking it but not there this year.

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:11 am

zxant wrote:
You might like:

- Vaughn Williams - Symphony #6

- Bob Zimmerman (not Bob Dylan! ) - New Wilderness

Also I could recommend:

- works by Debussy and Ravel (Ravel has a nice orchestration of music of Satie (I think it's called Parade)

- Saint Saens - Symphony #3 ( the 'thundering' Organ Symphony!)
. . . . . . . . . . Dance Macabre

- Stravinski - the Firebird

- Berlioz - Symphony Fantastique

- Carl Orff - Carmina Burana (warning: heavely vocal!)

And if you can stomach it try some music by Tristan Murail (his 'Sept Paroles' is truly a trip 'out of this world'. And yes it is heavely vocal, mostly 'choral' )

Finally a tip, don't be put off if you don't like (or 'get') a certain piece of music at this point. Try it again in some 10 years and you might appreciate it. That is my experience ...

Classical music is the only true 'music as Art' experience ...

Vaughn Williams is great but I may have never heard the sixth. I will check it out. I have a couple of his CD’s
I found a couple operas by Bob Zimmerman so not interested at this point. I could not find the “New Wilderness”

I love both Debussy and Ravel and have some of their CD’s
Wow! Saint Saens - Symphony #3 ( the 'thundering' Organ Symphony!)
I have Dance Macabre. Excellent!!!

Stravinsky - the Firebird, It’s been ages since last heard it complete. I have in separate movements on my CS’s. Excellent.

Have it and love it! Berlioz - Symphony Fantastique

- Carl Orff and Tristan Murail too bad your suggestions have vocal.

Yes, wait ten years, I agree. I went from hating adagios to now preferring them. Thanks for the suggestions and advice.

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:27 am

Mr Arkadin wrote:OK, I know he's a bit obvious, but your description seems to fit some of Philip Glass' output. I've tried to go for the adagio movements:

Symphony No.3 (Third Movement)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf28vvs ... 62&index=3

Symphony No.9 (Second Movement)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTyPp6tTd2E

Violin Concerto No.1 (Second Movement):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsioM3GaAAY

Visitors OST - The Day Room
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdZqYvvsShg

The rest of your description (no vocals, no dissonance etc.) probably removes 80% of what else I would recommend.

If you'll allow me one loud, dissonant with drums piece then allow me a momemt of Narcissism and I'll put in Glenn Branca's Symphony No.16 "Orgasm" for 100 guitars as I am playing in it! (You can see me far right with yellow guitar strap):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tko5z5ynSI

jancivil;,

I used to like Both Zappa and Glass and I suppose I still like them. I listened to your videos but did not get turned on. What I am after is music that I love. Lately it has been Sibelius symphonies. So I know the feeling when I strike gold, but sometimes I do not realize it immediately as in the case of Sibelius.

Glenn Branca's Symphony No.16 "Orgasm" for 100 guitars not for me. No reflection on your guitar playing which was excellent.

Thanks for taking the time to suggest.

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:40 am

rp314 wrote:Olivier Messiaen who besides being a very influential 20th century composer,
was appointed professor of composition in 1966 at the Paris Conservatoire, a position he held until his retirement in 1978. His many distinguished pupils included Quincy Jones, Pierre Boulez, Karlheinz Stockhausen and Yvonne Loriod.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zIQ5la2w68

Interesting vocals but they are still vocals. Good try!

ZeePok · Post by **ZeePok** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 8:39 am

You mentioned Tschaikovsky. I do hope you know his 5th Symphony?

It's his most daring (and beautiful) work!

Also you should know:

Mussorgsky - Pictures at an Exhibition & Night on Bare Mountain

Another tip: also try to find different 'playings' of classical works. E.g. different orchestras and different directors, different interpretations. It really can make a, .. err .., difference!

Nightpolymath · Post by **Nightpolymath** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 12:35 pm

zxant wrote:
You mentioned Tschaikovsky. I do hope you know his 5th Symphony?

It's his most daring (and beautiful) work!

Also you should know:

Mussorgsky - Pictures at an Exhibition & Night on Bare Mountain

Another tip: also try to find different 'playings' of classical works. E.g. different orchestras and different directors, different interpretations. It really can make a, .. err .., difference!

Good suggestions.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:03 pm

Except hardly post war composers (or even modern).

ZeePok · Post by **ZeePok** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 2:57 pm

aMUSEd wrote:Except hardly post war composers (or even modern).

PHY6 · Post by **PHY6** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:08 pm

Love this piece by Phillip Glass.

http://youtu.be/txEZI-uY4ns

Kalamata Kid · Post by **Kalamata Kid** » Sat Apr 04, 2015 7:50 pm

vurt wrote:ive enjoyed some of brett deans pieces
not sure if hes been mentioned?

Never heard of this composer.
Found two interesting pieces on YouTube.
The first is more to my liking
I will check him out

Brett Dean: Between the spaces in the sky (2011)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEJPJKe9oeM

Brett Dean: Viola Concerto / RSPO / Oramo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O5qMx23QHc

Help Me Find Great Modern Classical Music