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elnn · Post by **elnn** » Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:21 pm

dave dove wrote:a proper/modern wavetable synth with DCam tone would be a killer

dave

with Cypherite FM, of course! Gosh, I love that thing

Angus_FX · Post by **Angus_FX** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:20 pm

I'm intrigued by the new ultra square aesthetic appearing in GUIs at the moment. Windows 10 being the biggest example. Where has that style arisen from? Is it because more high resolution screens can show very sharp lines, without looking cheap and underworked?

I'd say it's a few things.

Partly, just what you've described above.

Heavy doses of chromed bitmaps scale poorly. UIs are expected to be, to a greater or lesser degree, responsive and resolution-independent. Clean and straightforward wins the day here.

Also it's a confidence/perception thing to some degree.. software is what it is, and it'll work better if it's allowed to be - instead of trying to ape hardware 1:1. I hope we're past the era of software-with-an-inferiority-complex - "Does it sound as good as hardware XYZ?". There is middle ground though - UI metaphors can help people bring established knowledge across from a different domain, we've aimed to build Strobe2 with an undeniably and unapologetically software UI, but anyone familiar with hardware synths (or emulations of them) should be able to find their way around it.

a proper/modern wavetable synth with DCam tone would be a killer

with Cypherite FM, of course! Gosh, I love that thing

Examples please of synths (hard or soft) that combine FM and Wavetable and do it well & musical sounding (either PM/FM of wavetables - or a wavetable source sending PM/FM to another oscillator).. need some inspiration here.

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DrGonzo · Post by **DrGonzo** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:23 pm

Angus_FX wrote:I hope we're past the era of software-with-an-inferiority-complex - "Does it sound as good as hardware XYZ?".

I hear you haven't been to Gearslutz a lot lately

/C

Angus_FX · Post by **Angus_FX** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:30 pm

The GSers compare hardware with hardware, software with software, and software with hardware. It's all good!

What I'm talking about is the de-facto assumption that software can't or won't sound as good. Prior to the last couple of generations of softsynths & circuit modeled virtual outboard, that was pretty much a given - software had to fight hard just to acheive parity, in terms of public perception. Nowadays, not so much.

That's not to say that software is always better or equal to hardware in every scenario.. just that it's not starting at an automatic disadvantage.

dave dove · Post by **dave dove** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:36 pm

AngusFX wrote

Examples please of synths (hard or soft) that combine FM and Wavetable and do it well & musical sounding (either PM/FM of wavetables - or a wavetable source sending PM/FM to another oscillator).. need some inspiration here.

Serum?

Dave

Pyrotek45 · Post by **Pyrotek45** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 1:43 pm

dave dove wrote:AngusFX wrote
Examples please of synths (hard or soft) that combine FM and Wavetable and do it well & musical sounding (either PM/FM of wavetables - or a wavetable source sending PM/FM to another oscillator).. need some inspiration here.
Serum?

Dave

Def serum fo sho

carrieres · Post by **carrieres** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:27 am

Angus_FX wrote: Examples please of synths (hard or soft) that combine FM and Wavetable and do it well & musical sounding (either PM/FM of wavetables - or a wavetable source sending PM/FM to another oscillator).. need some inspiration here.

Dune2

Angus_FX · Post by **Angus_FX** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:20 pm

Dune2 has oscs that are switchable between WT and FM - was definitely thinking more like Serum, where you can FM an WT oscillator - or use a WT osc as an FM source.

Have to admit I've not been able to get anything very musical out of that approach yet though. FM tends IMHO to work best with harmonically simple source and destination waveforms; WT waveforms tend towards complexity. If you had wavetables specifically designed for it, though, great.

DrGonzo · Post by **DrGonzo** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 6:56 pm

Angus_FX wrote: Have to admit I've not been able to get anything very musical out of that approach yet though. FM tends IMHO to work best with harmonically simple source and destination waveforms; WT waveforms tend towards complexity. If you had wavetables specifically designed for it, though, great.

Since you're obviously looking at new synthesis methods - might it be safe to assume that SS2 is a blink around the corner?

/C

carrieres · Post by **carrieres** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:27 pm

Angus_FX wrote:Dune2 has oscs that are switchable between WT and FM - was definitely thinking more like Serum, where you can FM an WT oscillator - or use a WT osc as an FM source.

you can do it too, by modulating osc1 to osc2 with audio rate modulation

Angus_FX · Post by **Angus_FX** » Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:17 am

Since you're obviously looking at new synthesis methods - might it be safe to assume that SS2 is a blink around the corner?

/C

Strobe 2 yes. Amber/Cypher a little further off.

dayjob · Post by **dayjob** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 7:57 am

Angus_FX wrote:
Examples please of synths (hard or soft) that combine FM and Wavetable and do it well & musical sounding (either PM/FM of wavetables - or a wavetable source sending PM/FM to another oscillator).. need some inspiration here.

not sure how i feel about those GUIs.. time will tell.. anyway.. inspiration...

for oscillators.. you can do a lot worse than the cylonix cyclebox.. easy to be dirty but can be very musical and has many different modes that change the internal routing in complex ways.. worth a gander at the manual.. there are quite a few complex oscillators in the modular world.. buchla 259 is pretty amazing.. w/the harmonic section it's pretty amazing at focusing on the musical/harmonic aspects of a complex oscillator. soon to be (more or less) available in eurorack as the sputnik dual oscillator. vactrols are your friend.

http://www.intellijel.com/eurorack-modu ... clebox-ii/

Aiynzahev · Post by **Aiynzahev** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:17 pm

I got a little video of Strobe2 in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qBFRJmGS8k

wald · Post by **wald** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 3:36 pm

AngusFX wrote
Examples please of synths (hard or soft) that combine FM and Wavetable and do it well & musical sounding (either PM/FM of wavetables - or a wavetable source sending PM/FM to another oscillator).. need some inspiration here.

Waldorf Blofeld

lnikj · Post by **lnikj** » Fri Jul 10, 2015 4:25 pm

Aiynzahev wrote:I got a little video of Strobe2 in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qBFRJmGS8k

Thanks

Looks and sounds great.

All good things come to those who wait.. the Synth Squad 2 thread