Plug & Mix . Anyone try these?

[kylen]

@sorohanro nice demo of your musical abilities as well as P&M capabilities - I also liked the way you used SoundCloud markers to tell us what you were doing. Nothing subtle going on with your use of the effects - it didn't seem to sound un-natural either.

[Nick Hamilton]

@sorohanro nice demo of your musical abilities as well as P&M capabilities - I also liked the way you used SoundCloud markers to tell us what you were doing. Nothing subtle going on with your use of the effects - it didn't seem to sound un-natural either.

Just want to say thanks as well.

A great example of what the plugs can do, thanks for taking the time to do it and to post it up.

[Nick Hamilton]

Dear friends,

Anyone else got any examples that they would like to share with the KVR community?

Thanks for all your interest in P&M, much appreciated.

[Crackbaby]

ive had problems with these resetting to default position from time to time. One situation that i know of is when i stop the audio engine in mulab (to change sample frequency). I've not had this problem with other plugins.

[Nick Hamilton]

ive had problems with these resetting to default position from time to time. One situation that i know of is when i stop the audio engine in mulab (to change sample frequency). I've not had this problem with other plugins.

Hello Crackbaby,

Is it all the Plug & Mix plugs that are going back to the default position, or it is specific ones?

If you have the time and energy to post your observations to our dedicated forum board it is very appreciated as the developers look at it when new entry is flagged.

It is here:

http://forums.dontcrack.com/index.php?showforum=32

Thanks again for all your help.

Nick
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Nick Hamilton
Product Specialist
DontCrack Inc.

[kylen]

I'll post over there too Nick, I have the same issue as Crackbaby on Analoger, the bass/high knobs don't reset when double clicked (Win7 32bit Reaper).
Workaround - use the naked GUI-less UI to adjust the setting (which causes the button to reflect the correct setting).

[BERFAB]

I just finished demo'ing the entire bundle and i was actually surprised. My first impressions are, beefy and impressive ! Normally with these bundle plugs its a case of quantity over quality, however i found that alot of the plugs held up their sound well enough, without distortion or artifacts, to be used in a pro mix. ...

I think i have just about tried every notable plugin out there, from freeware to paid for, and some of these P&M plugs definitely have an ovious unique or different sound. ...

Have you tried these? http://www.audiffex.com/EN/effect-pedals.html

If so, are they comparable? They look a bit more 'bread and butter' than P&M, but individually, to my ear, they do the job. Since you've 'tried them all' I was curious as to whether the P&M plugs go significantly beyond this.

Also, what P&M plugs do you think really go far beyond what's in Amplitube or GR?

Thanks
-B

[Crackbaby]

But my issue was that they DID reset But not when i wanted it

[kylen]

But my issue was that they DID reset But not when i wanted it

Oh yes - opposite ends of the same mule I guess...oops

[sorohanro]

Thanks kylen and Nick Hamilton for your kind words. Here is another example, using Clarisonix on drum bus and bass.
It might not be suitable for everything, but still, a good plugin. It helps the kick but somehow the snare disappear, so, maybe on separate channels.
On bass I tried LoudBass and stereolizer on guitars but couldn't find a way to make them work to my taste. I'll try more on some brass and acoustic guitars.
http://soundcloud.com/mihai-sorohan/p-m-plug-ins-test-2

[Crackbaby]

The bass really comes alive.. good job
Clarisonix really is something ..hmm.. .trying to SAVE money here so please stop

[DaveGamble]

You have to oversample to 384khz to get an analog-like sound quality. Yes, the quality of the algorithm and circuit also matters greatly but as a basic ingredient you need nyquist pushed all the way up to 192khz in order for the aliasing to remain in the inaudible spectrum.

Sorry to jump in, but I have to comment on this to qualify it a little more fully.

Oversampling a linear process (EQ) offers no benefit in terms of aliasing, because there isn't any aliasing to get rid of.

Oversampling a time-variant process up to 2x is worthwhile, assuming an audio-rate (or lower) modulator, because you then have two spectra worth of audio content convolved together (spectrally speaking); I usually include dynamics in this category, since if your sidechain signal is generating a gain reduction signal that contains faster-than-audio-rate content, you are concerning yourself with compression-as-distortion, rather than compression as dynamics. I'll take the point that the switch between attack and release might fall into this category, but as a designer of dynamics, we'd want to make that transition as smooth as possible. Or things would sound bad (e.g. Gate chatter, for instance).

Oversampling distortion is one easy way to 'improve' the sound of a naive distortion. Or even to add a little finesse to a good one. But of course, the degree of oversampling that's beneficial is a function of the nature of the distortion, and how hard you hit it.
I'd like to speculate that most worthwhile, modern distortions are designed around an implicit oversampling-type process; runge-kutta being a good, topical example. But there are plenty of naive distortions around, and without oversampling, they sound terrible. I don't know how it's still a thing, but seemingly it is. I suppose the key factor is that aliasing is ALWAYS going to be a LOT quieter than signal, so it's going to remain "grab the spec analyser" kind of problem. (Except in Massive, where the aliasing is what makes it good)

Rant over.

Dave.

[Nick Hamilton]

But my issue was that they DID reset But not when i wanted it

You said "ive had problems with these resetting to default position from time to time. One situation that i know of is when i stop the audio engine in mulab (to change sample frequency)."

Just so I understand clearly, do you have to re-boot mulab after changing the audio engine?

If you stay on the same engine setting and save the session, quit out, then reload, do the plug-ins come up with their settings intact?

Regards,

Nick

[Nick Hamilton]

I'll post over there too Nick, I have the same issue as Crackbaby on Analoger, the bass/high knobs don't reset when double clicked (Win7 32bit Reaper).
Workaround - use the naked GUI-less UI to adjust the setting (which causes the button to reflect the correct setting).

Hello kylen,

So you have the opposite problem to kylen (no reset) with Reaper?

I'll send a note to our developers.

Regards,

Nick

[Nick Hamilton]

Thanks kylen and Nick Hamilton for your kind words. Here is another example, using Clarisonix on drum bus and bass.
It might not be suitable for everything, but still, a good plugin. It helps the kick but somehow the snare disappear, so, maybe on separate channels.
On bass I tried LoudBass and stereolizer on guitars but couldn't find a way to make them work to my taste. I'll try more on some brass and acoustic guitars.
http://soundcloud.com/mihai-sorohan/p-m-plug-ins-test-2

Hello sorohanro,

Thanks again for your posting of the sound examples. And your taking the time to really explore the plug-ins.

Regards,

Nick