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Diva 2 Wishlist (purely hypothetical, nothing in development)
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- KVRist
- 269 posts since 12 Nov, 2011
Vintage digital oscillator. Though I'm not sure which one. The Wavestation and D50 are off the table for obvious reasons. There's quite a lot of PPG/Waldorf out there already.
That really only leaves the Prophet VS and SQ-80 right? Unless you can get someone to loan you their Waldorf Wave
Of course the thing about waveform based oscillators is the question of how much of the sound comes from the purely digital part of the chip. How much of the sound is the output stage of the the chip? If it's the first, do you even need the synth in front of you?
The other thing that springs to mind, is how much work is it to create your own waveforms instead of risking copyright infringement claims? Or is that missing the point of the emulation.
That really only leaves the Prophet VS and SQ-80 right? Unless you can get someone to loan you their Waldorf Wave
Of course the thing about waveform based oscillators is the question of how much of the sound comes from the purely digital part of the chip. How much of the sound is the output stage of the the chip? If it's the first, do you even need the synth in front of you?
The other thing that springs to mind, is how much work is it to create your own waveforms instead of risking copyright infringement claims? Or is that missing the point of the emulation.
Last edited by knowix on Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:56 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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- KVRian
- 526 posts since 11 Sep, 2004 from inne Büchs
I am hoping for Synthex and Oscar modules.
A third fx slot would be nice as well.
A third fx slot would be nice as well.
Andy is a support ninja.
- KVRian
- 853 posts since 3 Nov, 2006 from Poland
Maybe official endorsement would be the way to use copyrighted waveforms/samples...knowix wrote: The other thing that springs to mind, is how much work is it to create your own waveforms instead of risking copyright infringement claims? Or is that missing the point of the emulation.
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- KVRian
- 608 posts since 6 Mar, 2005 from USA
I wonder if spectral resynthesis would fall outside copyright laws but be audibly indistinguishable?
- u-he
- 28111 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
We've talked about this a few times. If we wanted to do a D-50 type instrument, we wouldn't take that chance. We would simply recreate each waveform/sample with, say, Zebra, sample it process it and put it in our own wave rom. It would take about a month or two and it would be fully within our own copyright.AnalogGuy1 wrote:I wonder if spectral resynthesis would fall outside copyright laws but be audibly indistinguishable?
However, I can't see us do a D-50 type instrument anytime soon... (even though we're contemplating a transient/exciter module for Zebra3, albeit not a sample based one)
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- KVRer
- 14 posts since 14 Nov, 2015
I like that idea, particularly the OSCar.uselessmind wrote:I am hoping for Synthex and Oscar modules.
A third fx slot would be nice as well.
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- KVRist
- 269 posts since 12 Nov, 2011
I was re-reading this interview about the Prophet VS and two things jumped out at me.
http://www.vintagesynth.com/sci/birth.txt
"We considered trying to do the waveform mixing digitally - dedicating a 68000 or TMS320 to each oscillator - it ended up cheaper to do it in analog.) But some of the nastiness is what gives the VS its character -this guy does not fade into the background in a mix".
Which means the oscillator section definitely can't be properly emulated just from schematics and theory.
This also jumped out at me
"We called Dave Smith in Hawaii (where he was preparing for another Iron Man tournament)".
Anyway, remembering how much the Prophet VS was influenced by the PPG Wave made me wonder if a module could effectively emulate the oscillator of both
http://www.vintagesynth.com/sci/birth.txt
"We considered trying to do the waveform mixing digitally - dedicating a 68000 or TMS320 to each oscillator - it ended up cheaper to do it in analog.) But some of the nastiness is what gives the VS its character -this guy does not fade into the background in a mix".
Which means the oscillator section definitely can't be properly emulated just from schematics and theory.
This also jumped out at me
"We called Dave Smith in Hawaii (where he was preparing for another Iron Man tournament)".
Anyway, remembering how much the Prophet VS was influenced by the PPG Wave made me wonder if a module could effectively emulate the oscillator of both
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- KVRian
- 821 posts since 14 May, 2014
It's such a darn shame . I adore the era of PCM synthesis/sound-modules/romplers/etc. That late 80s/early 90's period of digital synths like the Korg M1, Roland heavyhitters like the D-50 and JD800, Ensoniq VFX, Korg Triton etc are such beautiful synths with a great character. I'm satisfied on the part of u-he since u-he Hive already has such a sound-module type of character to it, but I'd love to see an authentic Diva-esque recreation of a classic PCM synth.Urs wrote:We've talked about this a few times. If we wanted to do a D-50 type instrument, we wouldn't take that chance. We would simply recreate each waveform/sample with, say, Zebra, sample it process it and put it in our own wave rom. It would take about a month or two and it would be fully within our own copyright.AnalogGuy1 wrote:I wonder if spectral resynthesis would fall outside copyright laws but be audibly indistinguishable?
However, I can't see us do a D-50 type instrument anytime soon... (even though we're contemplating a transient/exciter module for Zebra3, albeit not a sample based one)
UVI however has some pretty amazing sample libraries from many of these synths at the moment, so I'm satisfied .
What about a Clavia Nord Lead? Synth1 is wonderful, but a u-he emulation would such much richer I'm sure .
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 11560 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
Just went hunting for a preset where I knew the name, but forgot the folder. Would love a text-based search in the browser too. Merry xmas everyone!
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- KVRian
- 677 posts since 8 Apr, 2012
+1knowix wrote: That really only leaves the Prophet VS and SQ-80 right?
Prophet VS style oscillators would be gorgeous.
- KVRAF
- 4126 posts since 23 May, 2004 from Bad Vilbel, Germany
+1000, at least!Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:Just went hunting for a preset where I knew the name, but forgot the folder. Would love a text-based search in the browser too. Merry xmas everyone!
- KVRian
- 1158 posts since 21 Jul, 2012
Howard wrote:+1000, at least!Funkybot's Evil Twin wrote:Just went hunting for a preset where I knew the name, but forgot the folder. Would love a text-based search in the browser too. Merry xmas everyone!
Second that. Would be useful for all U-he synths
- KVRian
- 736 posts since 29 Nov, 2015
A few ideas come to mind but might not be totally in tune with the design philosophy of Diva.
1.) 2 or more pages/"layers" being able to have more oscs in paralell with their own chain of filters adsr etc...
2.) A fleshed out mod matrix page with more options to have stuff affect each other instead of fixed slots. I enjoyed Dune 2's approach a lot, the mod matrix felt really nice to work with and never felt limiting.
3.) optionally some tool thingies in the mod matrix such as rectify and so forth to be applied on anything
4.) I really like the idea of having the diva filters in zebra, would like to have the same option in Bazille, would it be crazy to imagine some kind of unification where if I own one synth, I get access to some of those features in another synth, sounds a bit too complex I guess, and also, might loose the point of making more than one synth eventually at that point. But still, its a thought that tickles my interest alot, feels like I would get more out of Bazille for example if I had those options, maybe to choose between all the diva and zebra filters. And so forth. I guess it kinda makes sense to have Zebra be the place for those kind of features since it's the flagship.
1.) 2 or more pages/"layers" being able to have more oscs in paralell with their own chain of filters adsr etc...
2.) A fleshed out mod matrix page with more options to have stuff affect each other instead of fixed slots. I enjoyed Dune 2's approach a lot, the mod matrix felt really nice to work with and never felt limiting.
3.) optionally some tool thingies in the mod matrix such as rectify and so forth to be applied on anything
4.) I really like the idea of having the diva filters in zebra, would like to have the same option in Bazille, would it be crazy to imagine some kind of unification where if I own one synth, I get access to some of those features in another synth, sounds a bit too complex I guess, and also, might loose the point of making more than one synth eventually at that point. But still, its a thought that tickles my interest alot, feels like I would get more out of Bazille for example if I had those options, maybe to choose between all the diva and zebra filters. And so forth. I guess it kinda makes sense to have Zebra be the place for those kind of features since it's the flagship.