skipscada wrote: Clavia Nord Lead 4: € 1.799
Clavia Nord Lead 4 Rack: € 1.169
= € 600 = ~33%
Clavia ? Seriously ? .... making such comparisons you either don't know what you're talking about, or you are being disingenuous ... I truck with neither.
skipscada wrote: Clavia Nord Lead 4: € 1.799
Clavia Nord Lead 4 Rack: € 1.169
= € 600 = ~33%
It is expensive to build those synths, because you need exactly Tx times the components where T is the number of voices, oscillators, filters, envelopes, it gets very expensive very quickly. Behringer has set the bar and I very much doubt there will ever be a cheaper analogue poly. As for the Monologue, it's $300 WITH KEYS. That's insane, and I would be highly dubious of lesser priced competitors since they'd most certainly be cutting corners somewhere.idfpower wrote:My comment was about the desktop's price, not the keyboard.NEOREV wrote: You're seriously complaining about a 12 voice desktop analog synth for only $900? Name another 12 voice analog below a grand? You're lucky they have a keyboard version for a grand when 12 voice analogs normally go for double/triple that price. I believe Behringer has given us enough innovation with that price.
And there's no innovation in cutting down production costs and getting your profit from extra sales instead. Any Behringer user knows their business model - and it's abviously working.
Behringer usually covers all possible niches so I'm fairly sure they will (eventually) come up with a full featured cheap mono. They've set the lowest bar price wise for polys, now it's time to take on Korg in the lower price range battlefield. I'd like to see them succeed in producing an equally cool "Monologue" for even less money, or getting more bells and whistles for the same ammount (arp/onboard effects/etc). But for the moment, Korg's Mono is king.
PS: just because other companies charge premium for "analog" polys, doesn't necessarily means it's that expensive to put together those synths.
Yeah, they've prolly hit the absolute rock bottom price for a 12 voice poly. Their whole point was to prove it can be done for less money, so kudos for that.etherdesign wrote:Behringer has set the bar and I very much doubt there will ever be a cheaper analogue poly. As for the Monologue, it's $300 WITH KEYS. That's insane, and I would be highly dubious of lesser priced competitors since they'd most certainly be cutting corners somewhere.
My point was: when one's income is not that big, price becomes the main factor; everything else comes second.bronxsound wrote:^ do you really think that companies like korg rely their price fixings on countries where salaries are on average are 300-400 bucks?
GearSlutz is just anecdotal evidence and I'm sure Uli is smart enough to take what's said there with a few grains of salt. That said, you can't argue that they are not a bunch of very dedicated gear lovers who like to own a lot of gear, so that's not nothing.idfpower wrote:Yeah, the more I lurk around GS, the more I'm convinced it's the worst source for market polls I'm a bit curious how many of those guys will actually end up buying a DM12... Minilogue was everyone's darling and a real miracle in the making, but just a couple of weeks later, it got turned into a "clicky POS"... I'm sure they'll manage to discover some "critical flaws" as soon as DM12 hits the shelves They've already switched to the desktop version before the 1st DM keyboard left the factory sobungle wrote:They are charging what they can, too many people saying "This should be 2k" over and over again at GS, it just opened the door for Behringer to sell at this price and still be "Heroes" to those muppets, problem is, most of the people who keep screaming how amazing it all is, probably can't afford it, wont buy it, and anybody who does buy it before it is reduced down to £500 (Yes it will, go look at all Behringer products) is a mugg
IMO DM12 sounds very, very good. Absolutely impressive, considering it's the company's first. To do it right, and for that price... just wow. And prolly the other brands will have to reconsider their approach (at least price wise). BUT... a grand is still a grand. In today's world filled with tons and tons of 2nd hand gear and freeware software, I simply don't see myself shelling out that ammount of cash for it. Thing is: I'm not a piano player; keyboard is not my main instrument (heck, I can barely play a handful of chords). So for me all that "12 voice poly for under 1k$" doesn't sound all that life changing, if you know what I mean. So the real question is: would at least 30K keyboard players across the world buy a DM12 in order for the company to make enough cash to keep making synths, or not? And on the other hand, would this be the ideal business model to go by when it comes to such instruments? I mean you can't knock it out of park every single time, in order to assure enough sales to compansate for the rock bottom price, right?
Just giving a couple of examples (you conveniently forgot about the Korg) that show that the 'norm' you're talking about doesn't seem to be that much of a norm. You are of course free to provide evidence to the contrary. I don't care much either way. I simply wondered if what you said was really the case since I personally would expect a bigger reduction. So I made a couple of checks and shared the results. I suppose you mean it's pointless to compare Clavia's keybed to Behringer's because of feature set, number of keys, expected use, which is fair enough. But which current desktop/keyboard synths do you think are comparable then? Blofeld? Virus? Prophet 6? Telemark? I don't think any of those are close to the 10% you say is the norm. But again, feel free to prove me wrong.Daags wrote:skipscada wrote: Clavia Nord Lead 4: € 1.799
Clavia Nord Lead 4 Rack: € 1.169
= € 600 = ~33%
Clavia ? Seriously ? .... making such comparisons you either don't know what you're talking about, or you are being disingenuous ... I truck with neither.
On the site it says early 2017, but I can't find any mention of January.K-Bee wrote:Deepmind is now available to buy at Sweetwater for $999 with expected shipping early January.
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DeepMind12
Looks like us Europeans have to wait a little more. Nothing on Thomann
K-Bee wrote:Deepmind is now available to pre-order at Sweetwater for $999 with expected shipping early 2017.
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DeepMind12
Daags wrote:K-Bee wrote:Deepmind is now available to pre-order at Sweetwater for $999 with expected shipping early 2017.
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DeepMind12
fixed that for you.
This isn't reading, but a video review in the spirit that you are looking for:Scotty wrote:I'd like to read a review that just assesses the Deepmind on its merits and leaves the lineage out of the review. There is plenty of that skepticism out there already.
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