The most painless way to sidechain compress kickdrum to other instruments?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4712 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder
Firstly, I apologise if this has been covered a million and 1 times already
I know there are simple plugins like Kickstart and Wave's Pumper etc that you can just slap on a group bus channel and apply volume pumping, but these are locked into 4/4 timing variations - so they are basically glorified tremolo or stutter effects.
I'm looking for the simplest way to really get it happening organically where the sidechained channel reacts/ducks in realtime to the incoming signal of the kick. I know it will involve some level of routing.
Previously I've done it in a very roundabout way directly in the DAW but this involves invisible (muted) kick channels and a mess of routing. I've also done it through my own bus channel volume automation which gives me huge flexibility but is obviously very painstaking and timeconsuming.
Is there anything that takes the pain out of this process? Trackspacer, LFOtool, VolumeShaper etc?
I know there are simple plugins like Kickstart and Wave's Pumper etc that you can just slap on a group bus channel and apply volume pumping, but these are locked into 4/4 timing variations - so they are basically glorified tremolo or stutter effects.
I'm looking for the simplest way to really get it happening organically where the sidechained channel reacts/ducks in realtime to the incoming signal of the kick. I know it will involve some level of routing.
Previously I've done it in a very roundabout way directly in the DAW but this involves invisible (muted) kick channels and a mess of routing. I've also done it through my own bus channel volume automation which gives me huge flexibility but is obviously very painstaking and timeconsuming.
Is there anything that takes the pain out of this process? Trackspacer, LFOtool, VolumeShaper etc?
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- KVRist
- 275 posts since 11 Nov, 2012
Any compressor with side-chain input. Place it on the track you want pumped & side-chain your kick into it. Or have I misunderstood your question? It depends a lot on your DAW - it's pretty easy in Logic.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4712 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder
Is there any that accepts midi input so I can trigger it that way?
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- KVRAF
- 35439 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Which DAW are you using? Almost sounds like it doesn't support sidechain. Usually, the point of sidechain is exactly that you don't need a midi trigger, or anything, but the compressor is triggered by an audio track (in most cases the kick track), and the compression can be applied to any track. It's very easy to set up in Studio One for example, in Cubase (Artist version and upwards, Elements doesn't support sidechain at all), you'd need a VST3 sidechain capable compressor plugin though.
Here's a tutorial for Studio One 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZkZ9vtmaGg
Ok, it automatically does the routing for you, that's also why it's so easy to set up there, but, should be easy enough in any host which supports sidechaining too. And, you can then easily apply it to any track too.
Here's a tutorial for Studio One 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZkZ9vtmaGg
Ok, it automatically does the routing for you, that's also why it's so easy to set up there, but, should be easy enough in any host which supports sidechaining too. And, you can then easily apply it to any track too.
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- KVRAF
- 3186 posts since 18 Mar, 2008
Keep seeing/reading "pointless" instead "painless".
On second taught, that would be interesting thread.
On second taught, that would be interesting thread.
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- KVRian
- 627 posts since 25 Apr, 2005
VolumeShaper and LFO Tool both accept MIDI to trigger the ducking.
- KVRAF
- 7364 posts since 9 Jan, 2003 from Saint Louis MO
I was going to suggest faking it with VolumeShaper. You get perfect control over the shape and timing that way, and it's extremely easy to just carve out low frequencies for the kick and leave the rest alone if that's what you want to do.
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- KVRAF
- 2746 posts since 13 Feb, 2012 from Amsterdam
Yes, Fabfilter Pro-C2. But it doesn't respond to the velocity of the midi notes.MogwaiBoy wrote:Is there any that accepts midi input so I can trigger it that way?