+1 Diversion the factory library sounds amazing.ckam03 wrote:Also Diversion is something to check out. I haven't seen THAT many 3rd party banks but there's enough for me to be happy. I love me some Diversion.
Which synths have the best presets?
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- KVRist
- 253 posts since 18 Oct, 2008
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- KVRist
- 198 posts since 11 Oct, 2012
Very strange that Lush 101was not mentioned. Very good presets imo
- KVRAF
- 3879 posts since 28 Jun, 2009 from Wherever I lay my hat
Dmitry is, among other things, a fantastic sound designer.fischkopf wrote:+1 Diversion the factory library sounds amazing.ckam03 wrote:Also Diversion is something to check out. I haven't seen THAT many 3rd party banks but there's enough for me to be happy. I love me some Diversion.
- KVRAF
- 35295 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
Yes it does have fantastic presets, I just wish it was better optimised
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- KVRist
- 253 posts since 18 Oct, 2008
True, but as the CPUs evolve and get cheaper, more and more people will be able to utilize Diversion more fully. I think because of the high CPU use, people have only scratched the surface of this beast synth, with a lot of potential still to be unfolded.aMUSEd wrote:Yes it does have fantastic presets, I just wish it was better optimised
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- KVRian
- 1351 posts since 30 Mar, 2011
Maybe you have a strange understanding of EDM?recursive one wrote:Neither of them being actually good at EDM sounds2ZrgE wrote: Marketing-wise at least Hive was clearly offered to the EDM guys. Dune2's USP was/is it's mighty unison/supersaw.
But that's not really worth a discussion.
- KVRAF
- 25852 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
Maybe there is a correlation between the better the synth the better the presets
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- KVRAF
- 5664 posts since 7 Feb, 2013
Well, pretty much may be. Currently my main area of interest is psytrance and psychill, used to listen to lots of classic trance tunes (like Thrillseekers, Leon Bolier, Mike Foyle etc) before that, I'm by no means an expert in mainstream dance music.2ZrgE wrote:Maybe you have a strange understanding of EDM?recursive one wrote:Neither of them being actually good at EDM sounds2ZrgE wrote: Marketing-wise at least Hive was clearly offered to the EDM guys. Dune2's USP was/is it's mighty unison/supersaw.
To my personal taste, Dune2 doesn't have the right character for such sounds as super/hypersaw, wobble basses, trance plucks, pitched legato leads and other sounds I associate with EDM. I've compared it to Spire, Sylenth, Virus - no, it doesn't cut it. It excels at ambient stuff though.
Hive - well, its is solid, simple and low CPU subtractive synth. Useable in lots of genres where you need basic subtractive sounds, but to my ears it doesn't sound anything special. Sylenth does, Hive doesn't.
All of the above is highly subjective, obviously.
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- KVRAF
- 35436 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
I totally agree though.recursive one wrote:Well, pretty much may be. Currently my main area of interest is psytrance and psychill, used to listen to lots of classic trance tunes (like Thrillseekers, Leon Bolier, Mike Foyle etc) before that, I'm by no means an expert in mainstream dance music.2ZrgE wrote:Maybe you have a strange understanding of EDM?recursive one wrote:Neither of them being actually good at EDM sounds2ZrgE wrote: Marketing-wise at least Hive was clearly offered to the EDM guys. Dune2's USP was/is it's mighty unison/supersaw.
To my personal taste, Dune2 doesn't have the right character for such sounds as super/hypersaw, wobble basses, trance plucks, pitched legato leads and other sounds I associate with EDM. I've compared it to Spire, Sylenth, Virus - no, it doesn't cut it. It excels at ambient stuff though.
Hive - well, its is solid, simple and low CPU subtractive synth. Useable in lots of genres where you need basic subtractive sounds, but to my ears it doesn't sound anything special. Sylenth does, Hive doesn't.
All of the above is highly subjective, obviously.
Don't want to lie though, it's probably also simply because the named synths have been used to death in the music, so you really link the sound of the whole genre to these synths. I always find that other synths lack a bit of assertiveness. When i try to make the genre specific sounds with Dune 1 for example, i won't get nowhere really. It's too thin, too tinny, and the bass too absent, even when applying EQ, i can't rescue anything. And that's not the point really anyway, it's got to have all that out of the box, and it doesn't, so there's no point in adding lots of stuff to make it sound "right". Dune 2 is better in that regard, but still shares some of the same character. And Hive sounded much too harsh, brittle and metallic to my ears, and i didn't like the character of the filters. Each to his like.
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- KVRAF
- 2641 posts since 23 Jun, 2006 from Hungary
To name one:
Synthmaster - There's a preset bank contains several preset recreations from the album: "Tomita - Snowflakes are dancing".
Synthmaster - There's a preset bank contains several preset recreations from the album: "Tomita - Snowflakes are dancing".
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- vvvvvvv
- Topic Starter
- 2578 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from skelmersdale, west lancs, uk
fluffy said
3rd party soundbanks are what give a synth a much longer life.
I never mind spending a small amount of money to get a great usuable selection of sounds.
A great presets bank is like keeping your old house, but getting new furniture and decorating
My problem is that many 3rd party soundbanks are dull, too me-too, or not musically usable (another cine-drone, anyone?).
The standard of presets everywhere has improved massively over the last couple of years
- but many designers are still pushing out tired old ideas of sounds we've heard 100s of times before
- and without the controllers designed-in properly
I got fed up of Blue because no matter how many presets come pre-loaded, they're still just Rob Papen's idea of music.
I got fed up of Massive as too many banks were useless - basically poor design and very unlovely sound, amde by fanboys.
I don't agree that the best presets are the ones I make myself.
My best presets are the ones I've tweaked to make fit the piece I'm working on.
recursive one said
Either way the multi-stage envelope editing in Dune makes wobble easily accessible. I was doing this just the other night.
Open Question
Which new synth would you buy solely on the strength of a particular 3rd party preset bank?
Ah .... this is the part I like, and why I made this post.Nor do I feel like spending money on third-party sound sets
3rd party soundbanks are what give a synth a much longer life.
I never mind spending a small amount of money to get a great usuable selection of sounds.
A great presets bank is like keeping your old house, but getting new furniture and decorating
My problem is that many 3rd party soundbanks are dull, too me-too, or not musically usable (another cine-drone, anyone?).
The standard of presets everywhere has improved massively over the last couple of years
- but many designers are still pushing out tired old ideas of sounds we've heard 100s of times before
- and without the controllers designed-in properly
I got fed up of Blue because no matter how many presets come pre-loaded, they're still just Rob Papen's idea of music.
I got fed up of Massive as too many banks were useless - basically poor design and very unlovely sound, amde by fanboys.
I don't agree that the best presets are the ones I make myself.
My best presets are the ones I've tweaked to make fit the piece I'm working on.
recursive one said
You're out of date here - Dune's current EDM stuff is absolutely top notch - except for maybe wobble basses - but maybe wobble basses aren't exactly EDM either.Dune2 doesn't have the right character for such sounds as super/hypersaw, wobble basses, trance plucks, pitched legato leads and other sounds I associate with EDM
Either way the multi-stage envelope editing in Dune makes wobble easily accessible. I was doing this just the other night.
Open Question
Which new synth would you buy solely on the strength of a particular 3rd party preset bank?
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- KVRAF
- 5664 posts since 7 Feb, 2013
Are you refferring to someone's soundset or your own sounds? Care to post a link?kevvvvv wrote:
You're out of date here - Dune's current EDM stuff is absolutely top notch
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- KVRAF
- 35436 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
The question isn't whether a synth CAN do EDM stuff, they all can. It's just that there's synth which sound absolutely top notch for the sounds most present in the music. For example some synth can do a great supersaw, on others it will sound totally sucky. I really love Largo for example, but the supersaw is just trash. Same with Massive. Sylenth1, Spire, or Electra2 on the other hand all sound very good with those sounds, thus they're the most used synths in the genre since years (not sure about Electra2, but Sylenth1 and Spire for sure). I'm sure Dune 2 is a great synth. But is it really as top notch for EDM sounds as the synths mentioned? I don't think so. The reception also speaks a certain language. Unless you can point me to the mass of EDM soundsets for Dune 2. I will happily point you to the gazillions of EDM soundsets for Sylenth1 and Spire.