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chris.r · Post by **chris.r** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 5:23 am

Same problem here on XP with Sonar!
And I don't even remember I had 2 instances, simply loaded one on acoustic guitar bus and bypassed the plugin after hearing that noize.
Is there any support for free with "like" plugin?

antithesist · Post by **antithesist** » Thu Nov 13, 2014 10:07 am

Teksonik: Though I have a general notion of what "wonky" means to me and in my limited general usage, I looked up a few definitions and I think even at the extreme, it's a little too kind... it's certainly the right direction, though.

Loki Fuego · Post by **Loki Fuego** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 12:07 pm

I gave link to this thread to P&M support. Hopefully, they will fix it.

chris.r wrote:Is there any support for free with "like" plugin?

I don't know, but as I paid for the whole bundle, I expect that the bug will be dealt with.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 12:33 pm

chris.r wrote:Same problem here on XP with Sonar!
And I don't even remember I had 2 instances, simply loaded one on acoustic guitar bus and bypassed the plugin after hearing that noize.
Is there any support for free with "like" plugin?

Thanks for confirming chris.r ! One of the most bizarre bugs I've ever encountered.

antithesist wrote:Teksonik: Though I have a general notion of what "wonky" means to me and in my limited general usage, I looked up a few definitions and I think even at the extreme, it's a little too kind... it's certainly the right direction, though.

I struggled to find the right word. Not sure wonky fits perfectly. What word would you use ?

There's just something about the whole Plug and Mix story that has always made my spidey senses tingle. From the obvious connection to Nomad to the same GUI flicker in FL Studio that SynthMaker plugins have to the reluctance of the "developers" to speak up. There's just something....again searching for the right word....wonky about the whole story.
But having said that I still love the plugins...Ambiosoniq especially despite it's bug and think the $49 bundle deal was a fantastic bargain. I'd do it again in a heartbeat.

So far there has been no response from Nick about my re-opened ticket. Hopefully Loki's link to this thread will get some results. I think Pattonfreak's discovery that renaming the .dlls and using two different ones solves the problem is a huge clue. Just have to get that information to the guy who wrote the Ambiosoniq code.

Loki Fuego · Post by **Loki Fuego** » Fri Nov 14, 2014 12:53 pm

Nick forwarded info from me (including link to the thread) to the developers. I hope the bug will be fixed soon.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:13 am

Got a reply from Nick as well. I think Pattonfreak's clue will lead to a fix.......hopefully soon. There has to be something different in Ambiosoniq that is not in the other P&M plugins I tried to duplicate the issue.

Turello · Post by **Turello** » Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:34 am

It's so strange, the guitar amp emulators seems sounds all the same... o.O

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 12:34 pm

Another month gone by........still no version 3.3 and still getting sales e-mails from Don't Crack.

kbaccki · Post by **kbaccki** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:50 pm

Months ago I renamed Ambiosoniq in reaper's plugin manager to something like *** Amobiosoniq DO NOT USE *** ...

Seriously. But I think it's the only one with major major issues that I found, so much so that I just said screw it, it's banished...

On the multiple instance DLL renaming workaround... Bad things will happen in DLLs if you have unintentional shared data segments -- i.e., global variables. Renaming will effectively

Remember all those multi-processor issues with Synthedit plugs back in the day? IIRC those issues were due to global functions that were themselves not thread safe... or something like that... same sorta thing can happen with global data.

Also remember the workaround for those Synthedit issues: make multiple copies of the plug and name each uniquely.

Thinking about this... another possibility in Reaper specifically could be to run instances of Ambiosoniq in it's own process... this would effectively firewall off each instance's memory space from the (shared) process address space... I'm pretty sure I saw that as an option in Reaper, but question is is the option per-plugin or per-plugin instance (i.e., will all instances of Ambiosoniq share one address space)? In that case, not a workaround. Will give that a spin at some point, cis I wouldn't mind access to Ambiosoniq again.

EDIT: I should point out that not only would global variables be an issue, but functions that are not thread safe would be an issue... like the old synthedit problems...

spirit · Post by **spirit** » Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:10 pm

Although I was initially very keen on this deal and happy with the plugs, it's now my only case of buyer's regret for 2014. I have exactly the same feelings as the post above where the "spidey senses are tingling". Something smells wrong.

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:06 pm

Another week has gone by and Nick keeps posting sale deals in the Bargains thread. He continues to ignore this update and what was supposed to happen "in a few days" is now long overdue. I first reported this issue by support ticket on August 8th over 4 months ago.

At this point I have to urge caution when doing business with Plug & Mix and Don't Crack. Something does indeed smell wrong..........

Nick Hamilton · Post by **Nick Hamilton** » Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:36 pm

Teksonik wrote:Another week has gone by and Nick keeps posting sale deals in the Bargains thread. He continues to ignore this update and what was supposed to happen "in a few days" is now long overdue. I first reported this issue by support ticket on August 8th over 4 months ago.

At this point I have to urge caution when doing business with Plug & Mix and Don't Crack. Something does indeed smell wrong..........

Hello Teksonik,

I did follow-up with your case.

And the developers are struggling with this as they tried to reproduce the problem without success.

That might sound very weird as I did see the 'renaming fix' and sent it along, but the real fix is not as easy as we thought.

And all this has taken more time then what was first revealed.

The next step is, if you don't mind, is to send me a session without audio but including all tracks with plug-ins causing the problem so they can see if they can reproduce the problem on their PC.

Send me a PM and we can work on it together.

Best Regards

Nick

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Sat Dec 20, 2014 12:35 pm

Nick Hamilton wrote: The next step is, if you don't mind, is to send me a session without audio but including all tracks with plug-ins causing the problem so they can see if they can reproduce the problem on their PC.
Send me a PM and we can work on it together.
Best Regards
Nick

As I offered before I'm willing to work on beta testing with the developers. I've already sent you by Support Ticket all the information needed to reproduce the issue. As I said before it's not "plug-ins" but it's only Ambiosoniq. I have no interest in working on this problem by relay system but my offer to work directly with the developers stands.

firepile · Post by **firepile** » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:54 pm

Nick Hamilton wrote:
Teksonik wrote:Another week has gone by and Nick keeps posting sale deals in the Bargains thread. He continues to ignore this update and what was supposed to happen "in a few days" is now long overdue. I first reported this issue by support ticket on August 8th over 4 months ago.

At this point I have to urge caution when doing business with Plug & Mix and Don't Crack. Something does indeed smell wrong..........
Hello Teksonik,

I did follow-up with your case.

And the developers are struggling with this as they tried to reproduce the problem without success.

Strange that it should be so hard. I can easily reproduce it here in Studio One with two audio tracks and two instances of Ambiosoniq. Does not happen with very short audio files, though.

geroyannis · Post by **geroyannis** » Sat Dec 20, 2014 8:16 pm

It also happens here in Cubase 6.

49 bux for all the plug&mix plugins