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CHTDR · Post by **CHTDR** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:21 am

Hello,I'am producing neotrance/post techno or whatever you call it, like artists from Manual music, Traum Schallplatten etc.
I've been trying to figure out how they make heavy delays that inludes smooth time changing between intervals of time delay? It has been widely utilized in this genre, like in the Micotrauma - Diffusion track from their Colorblind EP and many other tracks.
I have tried doing this by simply automating the delay time (1/2,1/4,1/8 ) and "smooth" automating the time delay like in seconds, in differnt delay VSTs but it can't actually produce desired delay effect.

BDeep · Post by **BDeep** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 9:28 am

CHTDR wrote:

Quoted to make the URL clickable. Can't really help you right now, I'm at work.

CHTDR · Post by **CHTDR** » Wed Apr 24, 2013 8:16 pm

It is also pronounced in track "Henry Saiz - Reverence" at 1:30

BertKoor · Post by **BertKoor** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 7:47 am

The first clip, I didn't really know what to listen for, but the second example is making very clear what effect you want. Two weeks ago I encountered a simular topic where I did some explanations of the difficulties encountered in changing delay time.

But now I have a solution I think. Send the instruments to a couple of delays (set to different times) in parallel, eg using Aux bus sends. Then you can automate the mixing and pick which of the delays you hear.

lfm · Post by **lfm** » Thu Apr 25, 2013 8:47 am

You do neat things with plugins like:

Waves Supertap:
http://www.waves.com/Content.aspx?id=273

Waves Doubler:
http://www.waves.com/content.aspx?id=246

CHTDR · Post by **CHTDR** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:56 am

Thanks, will try automating parallel processed delays set at different times since I don't have waves plugins.

Steegra · Post by **Steegra** » Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:32 pm

I gave it a quick shot using automated delay mix levels in FL studio. Could do with some work on the delay times and smoothing out but I think that is the easiest way. Similar method to BertKoor's suggestion.

Audio
http://steegra.com/Delay%20Mix%20Test.mp3

Here's what the automation looked like in FL.

CHTDR · Post by **CHTDR** » Tue May 07, 2013 5:44 am

I've been searching for the answer for months! Will try it in my new track, thank you guys, this is really helpfull!

annode · Post by **annode** » Sat May 11, 2013 5:03 pm

I'm sorry but I don't hear multi-tap delays or multi delays.
I hear a keyboard with a single delay run through a stutter/chopper sequencer while jumping through pattern presets.

CHTDR · Post by **CHTDR** » Mon May 13, 2013 6:46 am

Yes, there is really something different happening or at least it's not the desired effect. Perhaps using multi tap delay with parallel processing and mixing will do the trick? I really dont know?

annode · Post by **annode** » Mon May 13, 2013 8:10 pm

CHTDR wrote:Yes, there is really something different happening or at least it's not the desired effect. Perhaps using multi tap delay with parallel processing and mixing will do the trick? I really dont know?

I think you mis-read me. I don't hear multi-delays.

CHTDR · Post by **CHTDR** » Tue May 14, 2013 7:11 am

annode wrote:
CHTDR wrote:Yes, there is really something different happening or at least it's not the desired effect. Perhaps using multi tap delay with parallel processing and mixing will do the trick? I really dont know?
I think you mis-read me. I don't hear multi-delays.

No, I didn't mis-read you, there are no so called multi-delays, or time shifting delays.
Still looking for the answer.

toothnclaw · Post by **toothnclaw** » Tue May 14, 2013 7:33 am

CHTDR wrote:
annode wrote:
CHTDR wrote:Yes, there is really something different happening or at least it's not the desired effect. Perhaps using multi tap delay with parallel processing and mixing will do the trick? I really dont know?
I think you mis-read me. I don't hear multi-delays.
No, I didn't mis-read you, there are no so called multi-delays, or time shifting delays.
Still looking for the answer.

Check out Artillery.

CHTDR · Post by **CHTDR** » Fri May 17, 2013 5:27 am

Already checked it, it is powerfull, but i don't think that it is capable for doing it.

However, I found a free vst Bouncy from smartelectronix, and it can make echoes "bounce" or jump back and forward. But the sound is sometimes crackling and popping. Will post sample of my work in a few days.
The problem with delay time modulation is interpolation.

It came to my mind that this massive echo-delay time modulation can be achieved with parallel dry signal and wet signal that loops sample or synth and then changing ending parameter of loop settings. I usually dont use vst for loops since I make my beats from scratch and then resample.

annode · Post by **annode** » Sun May 19, 2013 1:36 am

In my spare time i'm trying to come up with a working solution. Not because I like the effect but just because it's a puzzle to solve.
I'm now attempting to emulate echoing using a gating effect. I'm not close yet.

If I could find a delay effect that would clear and reset the sample buffer to 'start' position whenever a new midi note is pressed, that would help a lot. Changing delay times would also reset the buffer as well.

It came to my mind that this massive echo-delay time modulation can be achieved with parallel dry signal and wet signal that loops sample or synth and then changing ending parameter of loop settings. I usually dont use vst for loops since I make my beats from scratch and then resample.

That didn't make sense to me...must be a language thing....but here's a freeware looper you might like to play with.

http://www.kvraudio.com/product/element-by-xoxos
Maybe better yet try 'Discipline3' on this page;
http://www.xoxos.net/vst/vst.html#effects

Heavy delays