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masterhiggins wrote: True. That's a good point. LOL. I never even heard of them (Kjaerhus).

The only caveat to that logic though is that usually one spends a relatively small amount of money on those other companies, buying 1 or 2 plugins out of the lot. With Waves, on the other hand, people usually buy huge bundles of plugins, of which they only actually use 1 or 2. In addition to that, there's the WUP to continue receiving updates, etc. In the event that the smaller company folds, there's only a small amount of investment lost.

On the other hand, even big companies discontinue products. NI is fracking huge and they've discontinued quite a lot of software over the years (Pro-53, Vokator, Spektral Delay, B4, etc). The Pro-53 was particularly popular, which confuses me a bit why they would choose to discontinue that one. Oh well. But I do see your point. They will probably be around for a very long time.

When I'm choosing a company to support (by purchasing their stuff), I usually take a few things into consideration:

1) They listen to feedback and reply - Companies like Fabfilter, PSP, u-he, ValhallaDSP, and Cytomic aren't super huge. Each of those companies have pretty small teams (Cytomic is pretty much just Andy and his wife), but they are very active in the forums and interact with customers on a regular basis. Antoni of PSP usually responds directly and I've never communicated with a nicer guy. :) These are the kind of things that most people find pretty important.

2) They are open about the products they're developing - They give you updates on things they have on the burner, and sometimes even tell you when some projects have to be shelved to fix an important issue on a current product. This transparency lets you know they're actively working on their stuff rather than just sitting back and collecting money, doing the bare minimum to keep a product working and praying to God that Apple or Windows doesn't implement a change that requires code maintenance to pass validation checks.

3) Frequent updates - Sure, this is closely related to reason 1, but in addition to fixing problems or implementing feature requests, they take it upon themselves to set the bar even higher. (Think new digital oscillators in u-he Diva)

4) Their products are reasonably priced - Okay, this one is pretty hard to judge, I'll admit. The prices jump all over the place, but once a purchase is made, they don't nickel and dime you to death with paid updates every 6 months. They base their business model on the fact that NEW users actually will actually pay for their software rather than trying to stick it to the current customers by making them buy new versions because of the smallest functional changes.

5) No bullsh*t copy protection schemes. All of the companies listed above have very generous licensing terms. They don't assume everyone is a criminal user posting their serial numbers on torrent sites. If you disagree with this assessment, I understand. I don't want to argue about it here.

6) They allow license transfers, even for a fee. I completely absolutely wholeheartedly agree that they deserve compensation for their efforts, even for a license transfer. Having the option to transfer licenses is important to me. Very important. If I can't, I don't buy. Simple as that. I have made one exception to that rule, though. Cytomic's plugins are so awesome I would never resell them, and they're dirt cheap for their level of awesomeness. However, Andy has informed me via e-mail that his policy will change once he's implemented his own copy-protection scheme. Awesome.

That's pretty much all I can think of at this point. It's 1am here and I'm no longer thinking straight. Good night, folks.

-Sam
Some serious good points PRO SMALL VENDORS - thank you for that.

I agree that small vendors are often passionate about what they do. I read about Valhalla and how it came about.

I looked at Glue, and Cytomic have a good licensing thingy with serial burned into your file or installer or whatever. You can still use it if they go bust.

But even $100(when I looked last) is high for a single plugin these days. Look at Waves CLA Classic Compressors for $199 a couple of month a year - CLA-76, CLA-2A and CLA-3A, all legendary stuff - or the Glue.

Maintenance might be a weak spot then - if they don't exist anymore. But if they have x64 versions today - I would think there is a long while until x128 is around.

Kjaerhus Classic series were a very popular, and still is actually, free plugin bundle. Pretty good. He had this Gold series which were full price stuff - and he left the users high and dry when it didn't sell enough. I never looked for piracy stuff - if they were there and nobody bought because of it - or other reason. I think Cakewalk bundled some of his stuff like VX64 or something - made an OEM kind of. Torben is really respected for his work - but maybe not for quiting, some have had trouble reinstalling on new computers.

I have this exiting idea(for me) to reduce my dayjob to one day a week for a couple of years and try make music the rest - it's starting to get serious kind of. So I really look for reliable solutions that won't let me down. So far I ditched NI and Arturia in the process of getting rid of unreliable folks - if things does not work they better darn well fix it or they are out.

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Maxxbass, API bundle and C6. Very good plug-ins.

Api compressor is a bit hit & miss with me, I think it's very good but I don't always like it's compression style. I don't think there is anything else that sounds the same though (its even better in 96khz). I did put it on an 80's big wave style drum loop once (big snares and toms) and the results were amazing. Sounds "american" if I can say that.

C6 can make big changes really easily, very interesting plug-in and probably one of the more friendly mb comps. You can do compression, upward expansion and side-chain compression all in one instance on different frequencies.

Maxxbass, I already wrote a review on the KVR database.
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If I am planning to get PSP Echo in the future, would H-delay offer anything extra?

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zakufan wrote:If I am planning to get PSP Echo in the future, would H-delay offer anything extra?
It depends... PSP Echo has more options available to it and it sounds great.

However, I always find myself reaching for H-Delay more, because it's really fast to dial in just what you need and sounds good.

So if you like more tweak ability get the PSP

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I'm looking for a stereo delay, something similar to the one packaged with Cubase...ability to independently adjust both channels. I don't believe PSP Echo or H-delay allows for this flexibility. Anything else besides Soundtoys Echoboy and offerings from UAD?

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Waves API Bundle and Kramer Tape are my favorites. Aphex Exciter is nice to have but you'll probably only use it once in a blue moon. But, it can really save a track.

I need to sit down for a day and demo all the native 1176's, LA-2A's, Fairchild's, Neve's and Pultec's and see who takes the cake for me. I'm really interested to hear how EQulibrium sounds followed by an instance of Slate VCC...

Maybe on a day I don't have a recording or mixing session that I'm getting paid for :wink:

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jariya wrote:I'm looking for a stereo delay, something similar to the one packaged with Cubase...ability to independently adjust both channels. I don't believe PSP Echo or H-delay allows for this flexibility. Anything else besides Soundtoys Echoboy and offerings from UAD?
I'm pretty sure any delay that can be used as Dual Mono will let you do this.

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Best Waves plugin I ever bought was the Renaissance Channel, I love that thing to pieces!

Very unfortunate that Waves stuff in general has problems in Reaper and tends to start distorting and pitching everything to squeaky noise rather randomly and without apparent regularity, forcing me to close and re-open the project to get "clean" sound again. :(

Apart from that problem, it sounds and performs incredible.

The EQ section isn't very easy to tame... the display is too small to be of any analytical use, but it's big enough to distract you from concentrating on listening and the numbers in the readouts. :)
Once you can control it, it does some beautiful boosting.

The GUI looks stone old but "works" otherwise.

I was very interested in the Waves SSL ones myself, so I bought them here second-hand a long while ago. Back then I was using the SSL Duende plugins and loved them like no other (had to sell for cash a while back :'( ) so I thought the Waves set would be a great match, but to be honest... I didn't like them, so I sold them. (way before the Duende)

Now that I don't have the Duende plugs anymore, I'm trying to figure out which I should buy again... the Duende emus I know and love, or the Waves set that I didn't like because I probably didn't use it correctly. (I like lying to myself like that, I seem to love the drama of buying the wrong things...)
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chokehold wrote:Best Waves plugin I ever bought was the Renaissance Channel, I love that thing to pieces!

Very unfortunate that Waves stuff in general has problems in Reaper and tends to start distorting and pitching everything to squeaky noise rather randomly and without apparent regularity, forcing me to close and re-open the project to get "clean" sound again. :(

Apart from that problem, it sounds and performs incredible.
May I ask - did those problem refer to any other Waves plug than RChannel?

Only issues I had in Reaper are graphic ones, cursor not visible in edit fields, Dorroughs meters really strange gui drawing etc.

thanks.

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I'm with chokehold on RenChannel, it's a great little workhorse. Others that I use are the H series, H-Delay H-Comp and H-EQ. These are my go to EQs and compressors, they sound excellent and I don't need much else.

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