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He he, Why play call of duty when you can play metal slug ?
Haha, you will generate a lot of hateful answers .Serhii Kot wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 4:32 am I have noticed an interesting trend:
If you are using Mac, - You prefer Macs.
If you are using a PC, - You prefer a PC.
If you are using both - You prefer Mac.
Thinking back of this discussion, I think where you live really matters and totally screw up the numbers.2DaT wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 12:09 pmYou are overestimating the power usage by a lot. I don't have a top of the line hardware (i5 12600 + 3060ti), but with all power savings off and running a daw with a few tracks I get: CPU:20W, GPU:25W. I don't completely believe software readings, but with all overhead I don't think it's above 70W. Under full load with prime 95 it does consume 120Watts, which isn't a whole lot for a torture test.
If nvidia will fix their drivers it will be another saved 15W and it's possible to save another 10W on a CPU by enabling back the energy saving stuff.
I did some testing with a power metering some time ago and it turned out that it's the monitors that consume a lot of electricity and not the PC itself.
My 2 27' monitors consume more than 100W. I don't think I should worry about my PC consuming a lot of energy if my monitors consume more than that. PC is very silent, except for the noisy HDD, which I will replace at some time, with 2TB SSDs NMVe getting cheaper every day. I think you can buy 2TB below 100$ with really fast models around 150$.
0.15kWh was an estimate for a MAC, for PC I used more reasonable 0.45kWh,it's not that much, but averaging over a year you shouldn't be consuming much more than that. Even if you triple that amount, it will save you only the 100$ per year, and if you are such an active user you probably need the extra power of PC.
You can't play heavy games on apple silicon at all. I don't get why all apple users compare apple silicon to PCs with very heavy GPUs. Obviously, big GPUs consume a lot of power, but you can't run the same stuff on apple silicon, therefore you can't compare it.Jac459 wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 2:05 am Thinking back of this discussion, I think where you live really matters and totally screw up the numbers.
I am in Singapore and in Singapore people use either fans or air con. It is 30° Celsius summer AND winter period.
At home, my kids have a room with 2 gaming PCs, they are very warm and the aircon is always blasting when we use them.
It doesn't happen with apple silicon, it is always cold and I don't need to use aircon, even not fan sometimes.
Now if you consider the electricity price of aircon, you are at a full different ballpark.
Well I don't know why you assume I am an apple user... I have both.2DaT wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 3:34 pmYou can't play heavy games on apple silicon at all. I don't get why all apple users compare apple silicon to PCs with very heavy GPUs. Obviously, big GPUs consume a lot of power, but you can't run the same stuff on apple silicon, therefore you can't compare it.Jac459 wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 2:05 am Thinking back of this discussion, I think where you live really matters and totally screw up the numbers.
I am in Singapore and in Singapore people use either fans or air con. It is 30° Celsius summer AND winter period.
At home, my kids have a room with 2 gaming PCs, they are very warm and the aircon is always blasting when we use them.
It doesn't happen with apple silicon, it is always cold and I don't need to use aircon, even not fan sometimes.
Now if you consider the electricity price of aircon, you are at a full different ballpark.
When idling, apple silicon is more efficient, but difference between 70W PC and 20W Mac isn't that big in a grand scheme of things. For example, a floor fan to move the air in a room consumes more than 100W.
It is only when you use a GPU and a CPU the things get hot. A big GPU can consume 350W easily, add 150W CPU that is working at full power and this whole thing outputs the heat like a small heater. Majority of this is big GPU though, and apple silicon doesn't a very powerful one.
Yep. I use both. I prefer Mac. By a lot.Serhii Kot wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 4:32 am I have noticed an interesting trend:
If you are using Mac, - You prefer Macs.
If you are using a PC, - You prefer a PC.
If you are using both - You prefer Mac.
100%. Usage conditions matter. EG It's also not uncommon for audio users to care about background noise. Everyone thinks fan noise, but audio recording can also limit the ability to open windows / doors etc. Then there's sound proofed walls (which act like a blanket to keep heat in!) Such conditions mean a computer can easily contribute towards an uncomfortable hot room - even in cooler climates!
Indeed! And some modern components definitely make a bad situation worse..Now if you consider the electricity price of aircon, you are at a full different ballpark.
That's true to a degree. People compare partly because, once you go above the base Mac level, you're quickly spending the sort of money where those are the components in comparable priced PC's.
Argghh.. It depends on usage and location!! ( BTW No Apple Silicon machine without a screen default idles at 20W presently.. Even the Ultra Studio is between 10W and 13W.. ).When idling, apple silicon is more efficient, but difference between 70W PC and 20W Mac isn't that big in a grand scheme of things. For example, a floor fan to move the air in a room consumes more than 100W.
Depends on use cases too. But, yes, mostly you're right. However, if you're using the computer mainly as a DAW, you often don't need that aspect.. Sooo..It is only when you use a GPU and a CPU the things get hot. A big GPU can consume 350W easily, add 150W CPU that is working at full power and this whole thing outputs the heat like a small heater. Majority of this is big GPU though, and apple silicon doesn't a very powerful one.
maybe for the good of the planet as well as the bank balance, best to switch off when not in use.
nope, ive forgone light, cooking and a freezer.donkey tugger wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 7:48 pmSurely then you'll be replacing all your telephone exchange gizmos for the soft sinths?
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