No...but who are the real dummies here ?
The people who don't buy the smoke and mirrors BS or the people who buy the palava and the plugins ?
No...but who are the real dummies here ?
Yes, it's funny for suredigitalboytn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:43 am I think that it's funny that when you give some people a fancy GUI and a few impulses that suddenly they feel that they have been transported to some magical and hallowed recording space...
It's quite interesting that through a combination of sight,sound and some fancy copy (aka smoke and mirrors) that they can convince themselves that they are really there
I agree with Izak that there is a bit of BS going down here,but IK are not the only ones dispensing their special pills and potions to the addicts who are desperate for their next fix
Cover bands are in competition for gigs. Work, not sadness.
I have no personal issue with "Peter" (no clue whether this is a pseudonym or the name of a real person here). We are examining a product here and "Peter" represents the company that wants to sell the product, so obviously he is the interface through which we interact and communicate our critical examination results.
Movies would have us believe it is more like being frozen but I'll bet burnt meat is more accurate.Bombadil wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:37 pm There's no sound in space. Just smells like burnt meat or something like that.
It comes down to this, and it is something I am aware of in my own music making. If you learn the tools of your DAW, and make the best music you can, things like this are not really going to add a lot of faerie dust. Conversely, if you can't compose good music, this will just likely make a turd a bit more easy to polish.
With regard to the first two paragraphs, as you've said - It is what it is. I pass feedback along (both positive and negative) on the product features and how the information I'm relaying is being received.cprompt wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:04 pm IK's installation procedure (ie downloading everything) always attracts anger and vitriol, in the same way that Wave's WUP does, or any mention of iLok. Oh well, it is what it is.
I have a lot of time for IK's plugins, but I have huge respect for Peter who, as the public face of IK, has to take the flack for everything that people don't like about IK. I mean, it's not like Peter owns IK, or writes the software, or decides the price-points, or architects Custom Shop, or is in anyway responsible for the things people don't like. I used to work in customer support many years ago, and ultimately, you have to take the shit and rants from angry customers because you're the point-man for the company in the customer's eyes. Doesn't make it right though.
I'm sure this Sunset Sound plugin sounds incredible. I don't give a hoot whether it's a dozen IRs or a bajillion lines of code, if it sounds good, it sounds good. However, this is a price-point that I cannot justify, so I'll not be buying it for that reason, and that reason alone.
How about the part you don't need to buy it? You made your point. Please move on and use your lower priced IRs.
Exactly.
+1. I have one of the VSL MIRs, and I wish I could port it over to non-VSL stuff.Gamma-UT wrote: ↑Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:03 pm I think if IK had done something like VSL's MIR where they take a lot of IRs from different positions around the rooms and chambers - or at least the larger spaces – it would be a more justifiable purchase. Altiverb is a lot more expensive but you get a lot more readymade spaces (though with a small number of positions). Something that makes it possible to place virtual mics within a space and so get different ERs for each instrument/mic or do tricks like the Tony Visconti reverb effects from Heroes would get away from the issue that it is, basically, just a few IRs packaged up. And it would, as with MIR, make sense to do a lot of work on a very small selection of spaces.
Looking at the product shots and literature, it doesn't look as though this has happened.
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