Clearmountain Domain

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W23
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440 posts since 22 Sep, 2016

Post Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:48 am

This was released yesterday. The price tag isn’t cheap, but it is impressive

https://apogeedigital.com/products/clea ... ins-domain

The longer I sit through this video, the more I want it. I think it’s all the randomization available that makes it so appealing. That and the pitch shifting delay/reverb capability.

https://youtu.be/dsKtJZ3PHu0

rollasoc
KVRian
508 posts since 13 Jun, 2003 from Shrewsbury, UK

Re: Clearmountain Domain

Post Thu Oct 10, 2019 12:15 am

Warren Huart mentioned it was coming soon last week, so I got a little excited.

Just looked at the price. Not even going to watch the demos. I can't afford it.
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KVRian
686 posts since 17 May, 2011 from Philadelphia

Re: Clearmountain Domain

Post Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:19 am

I’m attempting a poor mans version, setting up fx send routings in Cubase. One delay fx, send that to a pitch shifter fx, send both of those to 3 reverb fx - small, medium and large/experimental, then send the source to the main delay fx and the 3 reverb fx and mix the sends to taste. Route all the fx to a single group channel as an overall wet/dry.
I’ve been able to get the HY-delay in PM mode similar to the sound and features of the Clearmountain delay (the ideal delay will have separate feedback for right and left, and eq and saturation in the feedback loop.) I found TAL-Dub delay works well too. Small and medium reverbs are convolution, large experimental reverb can be pretty much anything.
The DIY method won’t sound identical to the Clearmountain plugin, and lacks the unified randomization, but is more flexible and is fun to experiment with.
Even though the price may be out of reach this plug offers some nice insights into Bob Clearmountain’s creative fx routing techniques that he has refined over many classic albums - without even needing to buy it!

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W23
KVRist
440 posts since 22 Sep, 2016

Re: Clearmountain Domain

Post Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:01 am

Right. I think some of the selling point for Domain though, is the reverb quality, and the De-esser that gets worked in to the effect (something I’ve never even thought to use in a time/pitch effects chain). I am really hoping to see an “introductory price” on it, but I think they are really aiming for the “professional” recordist who can write these things off as an expense.

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KVRian
508 posts since 13 Jun, 2003 from Shrewsbury, UK

Re: Clearmountain Domain

Post Fri Oct 11, 2019 6:47 am

W23 wrote:
Thu Oct 10, 2019 6:01 am
Right. I think some of the selling point for Domain though, is the reverb quality, and the De-esser that gets worked in to the effect (something I’ve never even thought to use in a time/pitch effects chain). I am really hoping to see an “introductory price” on it, but I think they are really aiming for the “professional” recordist who can write these things off as an expense.
I was hoping it was going to be a Waves plugin, so it would be $29 in a few months..
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jochicago
KVRian
715 posts since 26 Feb, 2018

Re: Clearmountain Domain

Post Fri Oct 11, 2019 7:57 am

I usually keep these buses on my mixes: widener (doubler, micro pitch), delay, plates and room. On occasion I would crossfeed a bit, but it never occurred to me to wire them in line, it seemed the result would be psychotic.

This plugin is saying: don't worry about it being crazy, just do it and then dial back the wet. Also throw in a saturator or decapitator in there too (blur).

There's great value in all of this coming together as a single FX box. The random button is interesting for those ready to burn a couple hours goofing around. It should probably have more presets though, for something this powerful. Like what comes with Exponential Audio reverbs, literally a thousand presets. It could be hundreds and hundreds of things called stuff like "guitar slush and shout", "vocals to the moon", "coconut island blues".

Reefius
KVRian
798 posts since 7 Dec, 2013 from Belgium

Re: Clearmountain Domain

Post Fri Oct 11, 2019 8:34 am

Why would it need a lot of presets? At this price I don't think it's aimed at bedroom producers who use presets for everything.

jochicago
KVRian
715 posts since 26 Feb, 2018

Re: Clearmountain Domain

Post Fri Oct 11, 2019 9:11 am

Kinda like the logic for having a random button. There's so much going on that it helps to browse around to hear things and experiment.

For instance, I really enjoy doing that with a reverb. Move around some preset while I play my material to catch something that sounds interesting. I'll still tweak the settings, but now I have a starting place so things go faster.

Also a great example is a multitap delay. Sure you can build your own taps one at a time, but if instead you browse around presets, you can find something that sounds good then tweak quickly, instead of manually building up from scratch using up several minutes.

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metalifuxx
KVRAF
2340 posts since 23 Mar, 2005 from Detroit

Re: Clearmountain Domain

Post Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:40 am

$349, didnt see that Elton endorsement yet. Too pricey for him?

MogwaiBoy
KVRAF
3123 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder

Re: Clearmountain Domain

Post Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:21 pm

Lol - A bedroom guitarist's dream for a Grammy-winning pro studio price.

Looks cool though :)

dark water
KVRian
1238 posts since 2 Jun, 2016

Re: Clearmountain Domain

Post Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:23 pm

Yep - looks and sounds good.
Approx £200 overpriced though.

jochicago
KVRian
715 posts since 26 Feb, 2018

Re: Clearmountain Domain

Post Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:22 pm

dark water wrote:
Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:23 pm
Yep - looks and sounds good.
Approx £200 overpriced though.
This was my estimate as well.

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geronimo
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317 posts since 17 Oct, 2006 from Franche-Comté

Re: Clearmountain Domain

Post Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:45 pm

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JerGoertz
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2511 posts since 20 Feb, 2004

Re: Clearmountain Domain

Post Fri Oct 11, 2019 1:49 pm

I wonder, does this fundamentally do anything you couldn't replicate with your own homebrew plugin chain(s)? I mean, they were going on in the promotional stuff about how "difficult it was to replicate this using separate plugins", but why?
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dark water
KVRian
1238 posts since 2 Jun, 2016

Re: Clearmountain Domain

Post Fri Oct 11, 2019 2:08 pm

^^ generally speaking, not really.
Tbh, most of us have got shedloads of fx that can elevate a track or instrument nicely nowadays.
The plugin has its own ideas and does these well but it's only another option for the fundamental issue of varying sounds up.
Way too expensive though. You can buy about 3 top notch and varied plugins from other first class developers for the same price.

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