Hi !David wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 12:21 am I've no doubt what you describe, nichttuntun, is exactly what most who love MSF love about it, too!
I'm certainly with you, too, but I've also no doubt that bmanic is spot on with this:MSF is definitely at or near the top in the "bigger, more complex, more options" category as well as in the "blank canvas" category, but it's hardly at all easy to use with a large library of amazing presets with many more available all the time from many sound designers.Bigger, more complex, more options, is definitely not at all always better.. and most definitely not for the masses. Every single hugely successful synth out there has sold well because of two things: Ease of use (which does NOT mean it's simplistic!) and amazing presets + possibility of buying a large library of more presets for it.
Hopefully, there will be more designers like Simon Stockhausen who create global presets for edit-mode users, though I so far only know of 2 others…but I wonder how well these guys are doing with their patch sales, since as a "blank-canvas, DIY" sort like you myself, who thinks bigger and more complex is definitely better, or at least as fascinating as having lots of immediately available great sounds, as with eg. Omnisphere, I'm not really all that eager to buy other people's MSF global-preset patches. I'd love to hear them, but I want to tweak any patches by others I find in any synth, and edit mode even for already-made patches doesn't exactly wear its powers on its sleeves for easy, quick access, nor do global presets feel, to me anyway, as easy and quick to run through as the presets in most other synths…
As far as I can tell, I'm also in an even smaller group of MSF users, as well:IOW, those who are interested in designing Devices for it, and have read this thread through many times over, AND watched all the official and chandler videos on device design, AND have made quite a lot of devices already. The unique powers devices offer that I particularly appreciate (as I've described in several previous posts right here) grabbed me right away with MSF, and they have kept me interested ever since…but I have yet to see any great flowering of other devices, or heard any rumblings from any growing masses of similarly enthralled device makers! This thread alone until just recently has been like an abandoned factory for many months:)A: Full-version users who want to explore the endless potentials of device design for their own pleasures and unique desires.
What I fervently hope for, and think will be absolutely necessary for MSF to ever flourish with the "masses" of "most users" who only want quick results with a bunch of already created great sounds, will be even one great device that pulls together both many of MSF's great and unique sound potentials and is easy to save new presets for, so that the masses can look no further, and feel that MSF's potential has already been realized. In short, MSF needs to have at least one [even mini-]Massive already inside it!
I still don't really get bmanic's vision of a bunch of sort of upper-level, easier to use modules or macros, since I can't see how these would ever be easy to combine together to create new sounds with, for users who don't want to use, or don't have access to, edit mode, or how even a lot of them would ever be very compelling without the possibility to regroup them into something more personal, or could ever really give the feeling of access to MSF's truly unique versatility and depth. Altho in another sense you might argue that the existing devices are already good examples of this idea.
But I hope he's right, and/or that he or some others can give that idea a good workout, or that the great device-genius will appear. It'd be a great shame if the fantastic potential of MSF remains only appreciated by the likes of…well, me! I've never been a good example of what the "masses" will like. In MY experience, in SO many areas, anything that I truly love and can buy, will surely be discontinued sooner rather than later, in favor of other things that I didn't really like at all!
I really think that MSF can absolutely talk to the " masse ", the " advanced sound designer" and everybody in between.
I mean, everyone can find his share cake with ease:
i can understand that someone wouldn't even look at MSF because if you have just started or don't want to bother with all those details, you could feel this " way too much complicated for what i need " sensation fro MSF and just want a synth with cool preset that you could quickly choose without thinking. that's why i think it's important, like you said, to have more, preset bank/ instrument device with a great quality of sound. also let's not forget that the gui can be fully customizable , so with a good design and interesting sound it could peek the interest off many people ( disclaimer : im in peace with the meldaproduction gui
but we cannot ignore the fact that's the gui is a factor that matter )If you are in between, you know a little beat about sound design and know what you need to tweak or add to obtained a certain sound from an already made preset, you can just utilise the knob in the easy gui or even start to scratch the surface of the edit mode ( if it's not locked ).
then if you are an advanced sound designer you could just run crazy inside the edit mode and do whatever you like. and even in this case it's awesome that you still could find an interest in having edit mode preset and learn from that!
in brief, once you know what MSF could possibly do and possibly be, you can only fall for it. at this point i think that is only a marketing position to adopt. like " how do we make them understand that it is a product for everyone" ( simple preset user to advanced sound designer) / " how do we make them understand that MSF could be a CRAZY self sufficient system." ...
Thats maybe where we need to think. MSF is already on the perfect road as it is, but the delivery is still ( imo ) oriented toward user who already know where they are despite the fact that MSF can be to everyone and even can give the desire to dive more into the sound design world.
what do you think ?
im sorry if you find spelling or grammar mistake, i'm still working on my english!
( OUT OF SUBJET: recently i've tried the ep piano made by chandler with the lo-fi effect and i just thought " ... hold up! we could offer well crafted fx preset that we can apply in ALL the the preset bank and instrument device inside MSF ( and that's come with the fact that you can tweak it really precisely in edit mode) .... THATS CRAZY!!! that may make people want to invest in MXXX later )
