DUNE 3 is now available!!
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- KVRAF
- 8802 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
Oh wow! I can go beyond that I imagined with FM modulations (in general). I wish we have Dune FM in the future! Maybe emaulation of DX1 I can only dream
Anyway back to reality and what I have now I wish I could control Carla/Dune 3 with my knobs! Unfortunately it only permits me to control with mod wheel.
Anyway back to reality and what I have now I wish I could control Carla/Dune 3 with my knobs! Unfortunately it only permits me to control with mod wheel.
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Richard_Synapse Richard_Synapse https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=245936
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1136 posts since 20 Dec, 2010
Would be cool for sure, I'd certainly love it! Don't know how many people are into vintage-FM stuff though. It's a bitch to create good patches using FM, and few sound designers today seem to have experience with it
Richard
Synapse Audio Software - www.synapse-audio.com
- KVRian
- 530 posts since 8 Apr, 2018
I for one would love it. FM has an unfair bad wrap for being complicated. It all started when the DX synths (yeah I know thats phase modulation) came out with a manual written by Yamaha engineers for engineers. Not for the general public. FM synthesis is actually pretty straight forward when you have someone who can explain it well. Its like clouds part and the sun comes out (and the light bulb goes on). Please, please please add it to dune3 with 4-7 operatorsRichard_Synapse wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 4:33 pmWould be cool for sure, I'd certainly love it! Don't know how many people are into vintage-FM stuff though. It's a bitch to create good patches using FM, and few sound designers today seem to have experience with it
Richard
- KVRian
- 821 posts since 11 Aug, 2018 from UE
I'm not sure if phase modulation synthesis, with 4 or 7 op, suits well to Dune3 concept:
FM synthesis, like the Dx serie, need one envelope per operators to be really useful...
My 2 cents....
FM synthesis, like the Dx serie, need one envelope per operators to be really useful...
My 2 cents....
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- KVRAF
- 8802 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
Yes I did. I thought it's just a two DX7 put together, but it's more than that. There is a long video about it, although mostly for marketing purposes.
Anyway, it is amazing what complexity can be achieved with such synthesis. But as Richard said, it's not easy to design sounds for it so it might not succeed like the wavetable synthesis.
Anyway, it is amazing what complexity can be achieved with such synthesis. But as Richard said, it's not easy to design sounds for it so it might not succeed like the wavetable synthesis.
- KVRian
- 821 posts since 11 Aug, 2018 from UE
@AnX : you re right!
@Engee : sorry, I misunderstood
@Engee : sorry, I misunderstood
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- KVRAF
- 4590 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw
^Wait, did we have it in Dune 2? As I asked for it
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- KVRAF
- 8802 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
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Richard_Synapse Richard_Synapse https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=245936
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1136 posts since 20 Dec, 2010
We thought about 4 operators, the main issue is UI space, increased sound design complexity and the CPU usage when using all 32 oscillators per block (which would amount to 128 operators that must be rendered for 4-op-FM just for a single voice, not yet factoring in multiple layers or using both oscillator blocks).
Richard
Synapse Audio Software - www.synapse-audio.com
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- KVRAF
- 8802 posts since 7 Oct, 2005
Thank you Richard for considering this suggestion Maybe then it is better to design a new synth with just FM (6 or 8 operators with limited algorithms will do). Something easy to use but powerful.Richard_Synapse wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:55 pmWe thought about 4 operators, the main issue is UI space, increased sound design complexity and the CPU usage when using all 32 oscillators per block (which would amount to 128 operators that must be rendered for 4-op-FM just for a single voice, not yet factoring in multiple layers or using both oscillator blocks).
Richard
There are 3 reasons why I think such a synth would be great:
1. Great successor to NI FM8 (NI won't do it).
2. SA effects are great if added to such synth
3. Coding and efficiency are second to none IMO.
The only problem is (as you said) that it wouldn't be easy to program sounds unless it can import DX7 sounds, so sound designers can import and enhance them with arpeggio and effects.
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- Banned
- 3889 posts since 3 Feb, 2010
and there are reasons such synth wouldnt be great..EnGee wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:37 pmThank you Richard for considering this suggestion Maybe then it is better to design a new synth with just FM (6 or 8 operators with limited algorithms will do). Something easy to use but powerful.Richard_Synapse wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:55 pmWe thought about 4 operators, the main issue is UI space, increased sound design complexity and the CPU usage when using all 32 oscillators per block (which would amount to 128 operators that must be rendered for 4-op-FM just for a single voice, not yet factoring in multiple layers or using both oscillator blocks).
Richard
There are 3 reasons why I think such a synth would be great:
1. Great successor to NI FM8 (NI won't do it).
2. SA effects are great if added to such synth
3. Coding and efficiency are second to none IMO.
The only problem is (as you said) that it wouldn't be easy to program sounds unless it can import DX7 sounds, so sound designers can import and enhance them with arpeggio and effects.
1. Need to know if there is an interest in such synth that would bring profits
2. FM 8 synth sounds just as good as digital can sound
3. There is Bazille, which actually brought something new and interesting to work with territory
You can count me out
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- Banned
- 3889 posts since 3 Feb, 2010
Lets say it can, Bazille i think already does. How many people would be interested ? im not against it, i dont care, but lets be realistic ,wishes and dreams are just that, for developer its buisiness and only Synapse can now how much of interest there is in FM synths (doing researches i guess?)
Bazille imo is a good example as it makes this synth fun to program, but it doesnt program like any other FM synth, its more like weird subtractive modular synth