MU.LAB 3.1 test
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 7137 posts since 8 Feb, 2003 from London, UK
It loaded and didn't crash
Obvious first question: Will there be a simple way to record multiple inputs that requires zero set up - that is, select your driver, select your inputs, select multi-track record (on the same page as selecting driver and inputs), then hit record? Setting it up in the MPA seems... less than intuitive...
Ideally, I'd say the Edit->Audio Setup screen should have options for recording multiple mono tracks, multiple stereo tracks and single stereo track.
Hmm, I've no hardware I can plug into my audio ins, so I'll have to let others play with that bit, anyway. But recording the signal anywhere in the path is pretty neat!
Obvious first question: Will there be a simple way to record multiple inputs that requires zero set up - that is, select your driver, select your inputs, select multi-track record (on the same page as selecting driver and inputs), then hit record? Setting it up in the MPA seems... less than intuitive...
Ideally, I'd say the Edit->Audio Setup screen should have options for recording multiple mono tracks, multiple stereo tracks and single stereo track.
Hmm, I've no hardware I can plug into my audio ins, so I'll have to let others play with that bit, anyway. But recording the signal anywhere in the path is pretty neat!
- KVRAF
- 12744 posts since 24 Jun, 2008 from Europe
I don't think the multi track recording setup should be part of the audio engine setup as it depends from session to session!
Besides this, i'm convinced that setting up multi track recording always takes a (little) bit of setup, in any daw/host/sequencer, in whatever configuration. It's inevitable. I.e: Which input pins do you want to record from? Is it mono or stereo? Do you want monitoring? If yes, thru what? etc... All essential and inevitable with multi track recording, imho.
MU.LAB wants to keep things simple. And the simple audio recording system we had before is still there. Click-and-record. But if you want more, you can get it now
Note that once you have created more recorders in the MPA, you can also quickly access/edit them via right-click on the record audio button in the Transport Panel, just as with 'simple' audio recording
Besides this, i'm convinced that setting up multi track recording always takes a (little) bit of setup, in any daw/host/sequencer, in whatever configuration. It's inevitable. I.e: Which input pins do you want to record from? Is it mono or stereo? Do you want monitoring? If yes, thru what? etc... All essential and inevitable with multi track recording, imho.
MU.LAB wants to keep things simple. And the simple audio recording system we had before is still there. Click-and-record. But if you want more, you can get it now
Note that once you have created more recorders in the MPA, you can also quickly access/edit them via right-click on the record audio button in the Transport Panel, just as with 'simple' audio recording
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 7137 posts since 8 Feb, 2003 from London, UK
The Audio Input (MM) passed the only test I could give it -- changing the number of hardware inputs I've got selected. It immediately reflected the change.
Yow... Oh, right... I see... right-click record, setup audio is... quite deep!
Yow... Oh, right... I see... right-click record, setup audio is... quite deep!
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 7137 posts since 8 Feb, 2003 from London, UK
"simply make sure you have 4 Audio File Recorders in the MPA and set them up as you want."
Hmm, no, I'm stumped. I've added an "Audio Input (MM)" to the MPA and one "Audio File Recorder" per mono input. Does "set them up as you want" mean wiring them up? "Record from" doesn't let me pick which of the six outputs of the "Audio Input (MM)" I want to use... Is the "Num channels" the input channel count or the output or both?
Hmm, no, I'm stumped. I've added an "Audio Input (MM)" to the MPA and one "Audio File Recorder" per mono input. Does "set them up as you want" mean wiring them up? "Record from" doesn't let me pick which of the six outputs of the "Audio Input (MM)" I want to use... Is the "Num channels" the input channel count or the output or both?
- KVRAF
- 3009 posts since 17 Apr, 2010 from Croatia
Hmmm...cool. I'm playing with the note splitter, right now. I hope you're planning to give it some parameter to edit like key-zones?!
GREAT START, though! Rock on!
GREAT START, though! Rock on!
- KVRAF
- 2874 posts since 22 Oct, 2002 from "somewhere between digital and analog"
Just DLd this, and it came up with no interface? Does it have to stay in the original folder?
- KVRAF
- 2874 posts since 22 Oct, 2002 from "somewhere between digital and analog"
OK... answered my own question!
- KVRAF
- 3009 posts since 17 Apr, 2010 from Croatia
Make a new folder for it, it's a beta. Runs fine here.
Except the key-splitter, though. It miss triggers. Connecting more than one key output causes any key to trigger the last connected one. I'm sure you'll find the problem.
drumsynth.MuSession
It should be "kick, hihat, snare", but the snare gets triggered arbitrarily by any of the other keys.
Except the key-splitter, though. It miss triggers. Connecting more than one key output causes any key to trigger the last connected one. I'm sure you'll find the problem.
drumsynth.MuSession
It should be "kick, hihat, snare", but the snare gets triggered arbitrarily by any of the other keys.
- KVRAF
- 12744 posts since 24 Jun, 2008 from Europe
Yes. The audio file recorder records what comes in in its audio input jack.pljones wrote:I've added an "Audio Input (MM)" to the MPA and one "Audio File Recorder" per mono input. Does "set them up as you want" mean wiring them up?
You can also double-click the recorder for editing more setup properties, e.g. Filename, Record mono/stereo, Auto Normalize, ...
Indeed, if you want to select specific pins from the multi-mono-audio-input, then you need to be in the MPA and make proper connections."Record from" doesn't let me pick which of the six outputs of the "Audio Input (MM)" I want to use...
The output file channel count.Is the "Num channels" the input channel count or the output or both?
- KVRAF
- 12744 posts since 24 Jun, 2008 from Europe
No, the note key splitter is what it is now: it simply splits the notes based on their key. C's go to output 1, C#'s to output 2, ..., B's to output 12.Taron wrote:Hmmm...cool. I'm playing with the note splitter, right now. I hope you're planning to give it some parameter to edit like key-zones?!
GREAT START, though! Rock on!
The only thing i wondered about is whether to make the output notes always fall in the middle octave (C3..B3) but i think it's better to keep the input octave as it give a bit more musical options i.e. if you assign a bassdrum to C then the bassdrum can still be played in different octaves i.e. C-2, C-1, C0, C1...C7, C8
The more complex zone splitter module you talk about is on the whishlist.
- KVRAF
- 12744 posts since 24 Jun, 2008 from Europe
Indeed, the M31 test needs a complete package install as the graphic folder structure has changed.DHR53 wrote:OK... answered my own question!
- KVRAF
- 3009 posts since 17 Apr, 2010 from Croatia
Don't forget to check out my little demo, even if only to confirm the issue.
I already did understand how it works, by the way...but it's currently buggy over here.
I already did understand how it works, by the way...but it's currently buggy over here.
- KVRAF
- 12744 posts since 24 Jun, 2008 from Europe
I see you use it within MuSynthCore.Taron wrote:Except the key-splitter, though. It miss triggers. Connecting more than one key output causes any key to trigger the last connected one. I'm sure you'll find the problem.
drumsynth.MuSession
It should be "kick, hihat, snare", but the snare gets triggered arbitrarily by any of the other keys.
I tested it in the MUX, then routing the outputs to MuSynths, or even directly to Samplas.
I will research why it goes wrong when used within MuSynthCore.
- KVRian
- 1233 posts since 29 Dec, 2008 from Lithuania
Wow... that's a feature that I realy love.mutools wrote: What's new:
- Multi audio track recording.
- Record audio from any point in the MPA.
- Evolved audio-input/output system.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 7137 posts since 8 Feb, 2003 from London, UK
The aim should be quick and easy, though...mutools wrote:Besides this, i'm convinced that setting up multi track recording always takes a (little) bit of setup, in any daw/host/sequencer, in whatever configuration. It's inevitable.
This is already there: Edit -> Audio Setup -> Select Inputsmutools wrote:I.e: Which input pins do you want to record from?
Simple two way switch on Edit -> Audio Setup would do this. (Or on -> Select Inputs.)mutools wrote:Is it mono or stereo?
No more essential or inevitable with multitrack than with a single stereo pair, really?mutools wrote:Do you want monitoring? If yes, thru what?
Yes, the extra flexibility the new system has is fantastic . But for quick'n'easy plug in and hit record it takes a bit more set up than I was expecting. There's the old way and the new way - no reason to lose either of those. But there's room for an extra option of "simple multi-track" recording, I think. Just the one extra option (mono vs stereo). Then, if multiple inputs are enabled, record multiple tracks (mono or stereo, as selected, using the same monitoring as the current simple record method).