Sonar 5 has arrived...

[whyterabbyt]

I haven't tried Sonar, but I had the same problem with the P5v2 demo. In the audio settings I had to change the "Justify" setting to 32-MSB. I'm using ASIO4All with built in sound.

Thats a good point, I had to do that with P5 as well. A

[whyterabbyt]

The biggest problem i have with Sonar is that they don't really add too much to there update

Huh? I see plenty of new stuff in the updates.

http://www.kvraudio.com/news/2194.html

Surround, track folders, multiple freeze types, video track support, MPEX, POW-r...

Isnt that enough?

http://www.kvraudio.com/news/3956.html

What about native 32-bit VST support on 64-bit CPU's, inline editing, effects per clip, and a 64-bit audio engine?

, no new vst's to make it more appealing to the hip hop crowd,

Why should they target just one single genre of music?

And who says PSYN-II, Pentagon, and RXP dont appeal to 'the hiphop crowd', out of interest?

and it seem that they change version so fast where the other just improve upon the updates(Cubase& Logic)

They're currently bringing out new versions annually. That seems to be around average. Ableton seem to be more frequent than that still.

[DavenH]

Common now say it with me... SONAR, we already know your
mantra rabbit. Now don't go crazy on the bubblewraps
either.

Awwww, bless; its trying to be witty.

[kp]

, no new vst's to make it more appealing to the hip hop crowd,

Why should they target just one single genre of music?

I'm gutted they're not doing more to support the Prog Martian String Quartet scene, it's the next big thing.

[xylyx]

Did you even read what beltrom said?...

beltrom was the post before mine. Posted @1:22 am, and mine @1:54 am.

That wasn't an insult, it was a serious question, as the post you made after beltrom's seemed to ignore what he had said.

If you look at my post you see that 'I' is in it.
even though a lot of users agree with me. Secondly, I
hit you back with the same line; did you really read
my post? You turned this personal not me.

The 'I' in that post came after you had given your opinions as fact..I quote: The thing is Sonar looks plastic and it feels plastic. and Comparing the screenshots Logic Vs Sonar the alphabet still rules the pecking order. Only then did you make a statement about what you would prefer: I would much rather have less and see what I do.... You then make another statement of opinion as fact: than the 'try to fit it all into a too small a space' outlook.

I don't share the view that things are cramped, but this is again just the way I feel. It is one of my personal 'bugbears' when people express their opinions as being in some way factual, when there is no definitive correct answer to matters of personal taste.

With regards to many users agreeing on the GUI issue: you are correct that there are many who agree with you, but this topic (and the one on Cakewalk's forum) show that there are many who do not...who is correct and who should Cakewalk listen to?

Indeed, we agree on that, and for the other part we agree to disagree. However, skinning and added GUI ability would benefit Sonar the most of all hosts,
keeping current userbase and get new customers etc.
Why? Because the Gui and the former none vst support
are their biggest turnoffs. If you want to be
creative, you could run a poll over various hosts, and
what people dislike about them.

Well at least we agree on something Skinning would be a nice thing to have in all hosts, although it would require a lot of work on the part of users to come up with skins for apps with as many GUI parts as Sonar/Cubase/Logic etc.

I will disagree on the VST part...I wish they had stuck with the separate adapter (for reasons I have listed before), but I understand why they integrated it into the main .exe.

As regards the poll: there was a recent thread regarding GUI's and it just ended with a bunch of contrasting opinions that really wouldn't help any developer to know where to turn. If only everyone would conform, things would be so much easier

Bottom line If you would not have started with that opener, we would never have gotten to this point.

Well, as pointed out at the start of this response, I think you read an insult where none was intended...I try to avoid getting involved in flamewars on forums as they never lead anywhere productive.

Anyway, I think we have reached an 'agree to disagree' conclusion on this, so I think leaving it there is probably the best policy...

[beltrom]

I will disagree on the VST part...I wish they had stuck with the separate adapter (for reasons I have listed before), but I understand why they integrated it into the main .exe.

So people should stop complaining about it...

Personally I've never been much bothered by the adapter. If you reset every time you remove or change a dll it behaves great. And using Subsonar or a naming scheme the menus are workable.

But I'm hoping the integrated solution will be even better, and allow easier handling of menus. Haven't seen much about it.

[TeeLangSun]

There's a lot of talk around here about deeper customization of Sonar's GUI which inspired me to have another look. I have a question. Is it possible to make a custom toolbar. I'd like to create a toolbar with specific widgets on it and only make visible the things that I'll ever use. Otherwise, if I needed to see one widget, I'd need to see everything else currently attached to the toolbar that it's on. Thanks for any responses.

[bmanic]

*.. is running out of popporn.. eh I mean, popcorn..*

..somebody get me some more!

[hello1234]

*passes the popcorn around the audience*


.. carry on, carry on ..

I was gonna post a picture of popcorn, but found this instead. Has that lass got a dick, or is it just RapRogue in her pocket?

it's a belt, have your eyes checked.

[original flipper]

HI

Come on - I had to look twice!

The girl does look a bit butch - you sure?

Flipper.

[saturdaysaint]

There's a lot of talk around here about deeper customization of Sonar's GUI which inspired me to have another look. I have a question. Is it possible to make a custom toolbar. I'd like to create a toolbar with specific widgets on it and only make visible the things that I'll ever use. Otherwise, if I needed to see one widget, I'd need to see everything else currently attached to the toolbar that it's on. Thanks for any responses.

Yeah, the toolbars are very customizeable. As you learn how to do things with shortcuts/keybindings (the fastest way of working IMO), you can take out the toolbars and streamline your screen.

[bmanic]

it's a belt, have your eyes checked.

spoilsport!





- bManic

[_oswald]

1) I'm a huge Reason fan and I love ReWire - however, it seems I'm limited to 16 devices with Sonar using MIDI channels for devices. Am I incorrect in this?

I don't use Reason, but I understand that it IS limited to 16 Rewire devices (although some people say that the fact that Sonar 5 includes a REX player helps somewhat). Can't help with your other question.

Damnit. If that's the case, I'm going go have to look into Cubase SX. Clip based effects are pimp, but I need way more than 16 channels of ReWire support with how much I rape/pillage/plunder Reason on a daily basis.

[TeeLangSun]

There's a lot of talk around here about deeper customization of Sonar's GUI which inspired me to have another look. I have a question. Is it possible to make a custom toolbar. I'd like to create a toolbar with specific widgets on it and only make visible the things that I'll ever use. Otherwise, if I needed to see one widget, I'd need to see everything else currently attached to the toolbar that it's on. Thanks for any responses.

Yeah, the toolbars are very customizeable. As you learn how to do things with shortcuts/keybindings (the fastest way of working IMO), you can take out the toolbars and streamline your screen.

Can you explain how to place specific widgets on a custom toobar? Thanks.

[diverdee]

1) I'm a huge Reason fan and I love ReWire - however, it seems I'm limited to 16 devices with Sonar using MIDI channels for devices. Am I incorrect in this?

I don't use Reason, but I understand that it IS limited to 16 Rewire devices (although some people say that the fact that Sonar 5 includes a REX player helps somewhat). Can't help with your other question.

Damnit. If that's the case, I'm going go have to look into Cubase SX. Clip based effects are pimp, but I need way more than 16 channels of ReWire support with how much I rape/pillage/plunder Reason on a daily basis.

One thing to be aware of concerning rewire & SX is that SX only supports mono rewire channels - so if you are rewiring stereo channels they show up as 2 mono channels in SX & one must then pan them left & right & send them to a group in order to apply VST fx to them etc.
This can also be a pain in projects with lots of rewire channels, especially in conjunction with some of SX's routing quirks e.g. if one uses group channels as sends & then decide to have another couple of rewire channels sent to a group one cannot then send the signal from that to an earlier group channel that is being used as a send - does that make sense?
In short one must plan carefully ahead when using SX & Reason rewired or things can get a little frustrating.