Do You Recognise The Sound Of The DAW?
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- KVRian
- 1462 posts since 27 Apr, 2012
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- KVRian
- 547 posts since 20 Oct, 2023
You got an electric shock not electrocuted otherwise you'd be dead.THE INTRANCER wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:18 am Personally, I have been electrocuted by an electric toaster in the past 5-7 years, which threw me halfway across the kitchen floor, the full 240 Volts hit me so I'm quite lucky to be alive I think.
I myself got shocked. Shocked that this stupid thread has gone to 5 pages.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3270 posts since 30 Dec, 2014
I have music here on my playlist which is both created in Studio One and Reason. I can hear the difference between the DAWs that have been used.
https://intrancersonic-ds.blogspot.com/ ... .html#mpt1
https://intrancersonic-ds.blogspot.com/ ... .html#mpt1
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- KVRAF
- 4864 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit
Create a new thread as a poll for voting to match song > DAWTHE INTRANCER wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:31 am I have music here on my playlist which is both created in Studio One and Reason. I can hear the difference between the DAWs that have been used.
https://intrancersonic-ds.blogspot.com/ ... .html#mpt1
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 3270 posts since 30 Dec, 2014
No, it doesn't necessarily mean that you would be dead, it can also refer to injury.VOODOO U wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:28 amYou got an electric shock not electrocuted otherwise you'd be dead.THE INTRANCER wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:18 am Personally, I have been electrocuted by an electric toaster in the past 5-7 years, which threw me halfway across the kitchen floor, the full 240 Volts hit me so I'm quite lucky to be alive I think.
I myself got shocked. Shocked that this stupid thread has gone to 5 pages.
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- KVRist
- 412 posts since 19 Feb, 2022
Idk, all I know is that thanks to Reason, to this day I still mentally think “64” when I want something at 50% lol.
With that, I’m outs! These INTRANCER parties typically go on waaay past my bedtime.
With that, I’m outs! These INTRANCER parties typically go on waaay past my bedtime.
- KVRAF
- 3205 posts since 3 Jul, 2022
I don't think that these posts prove anything. Clearly the point on reason was valid in the past theoretically but it doesn't prove that it is valid in practice. And anyway, it surely isn't valid anymore since a long time as reason is now an open system.Michael L wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 2:37 amTHE INTRANCER wrote: ↑Mon Jan 22, 2024 5:27 amI remember there was always an ongoing debate about the "Reason sound", as if you knew straight away that it was made with it.Exactly.i need Help wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 2:12 amReason was a closed system, with all the built-in synths designed by the same group of people.
Thats the basis for my theory as to why people initially started to say Reason has a “sound”
These posts prove that a 'closed system' has a sound that people recognise in comparison with an 'open system' which has a different sound. This thread asks the Reasonable question, Can people recognise the sound of different open systems in comparison with each other?
Everyone knows that hardware mixing desks have a sound, because some desks became quite famous for their sound.
A DAW is just a model of a mixing desk, so it is quite logical that a DAW would also have a sound.
Some people cannot hear or discriminate the sound of DAWS, probably due to age and/or exposure to loud music.
However, other posts in this thread prove that some people do have the ear sensitivity and the ear training that enables them to discriminate those subtle qualities.
Q.E.D.
And we need to decide what would validate the point anyway.
If I open redrum and subtractor and play default patch you will surely recognise. But does it validate the claim?
What if I do a complete song with my own sounds, my own presets? Well you be able to recognise?
People can claim what they want, as long as there is no blind test, I don't believe it.
And for open system, I agree with everybody else... That's BS....
- KVRAF
- 3205 posts since 3 Jul, 2022
Yes. Because of you creating it differently.THE INTRANCER wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:31 am I have music here on my playlist which is both created in Studio One and Reason. I can hear the difference between the DAWs that have been used.
https://intrancersonic-ds.blogspot.com/ ... .html#mpt1
That doesn't mean that another guy wouldn't create something similar to what you did in S1 with RS.
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- KVRian
- 520 posts since 15 Jun, 2018
KeyGen-core.THE INTRANCER wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:31 am I have music here on my playlist which is both created in Studio One and Reason. I can hear the difference between the DAWs that have been used.
https://intrancersonic-ds.blogspot.com/ ... .html#mpt1
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- KVRAF
- 35569 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
I must admit that I also was able to identify some stuff which was made in Reason in the past. Probably has to do with the included instruments, and the fact that the same guy was responsible for the DSP on all of the devices.
What's weird is that I also thought that Antidote, a rack extension by Synapse Audio, has a bit the same sound as Thor. I frankly don't know if that's really the case or if I was just imagining things.
Anyway, if you guys have a license of Cubase AI or LE, and you have some time to waste, install it, and compare the sound with the same instruments in other DAWs, and let me know what you think. I won't say more than that. Just try it out.
What's weird is that I also thought that Antidote, a rack extension by Synapse Audio, has a bit the same sound as Thor. I frankly don't know if that's really the case or if I was just imagining things.
Anyway, if you guys have a license of Cubase AI or LE, and you have some time to waste, install it, and compare the sound with the same instruments in other DAWs, and let me know what you think. I won't say more than that. Just try it out.
- KVRAF
- 4437 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Hell
no it is not "quite logical".
physical desks "have a sound" because they're not linear devices - the sound comes from preamps, EQ's, etc. which, although strive to be linear, still impart their own character due to either limitations of the time, or deliberately being engineered to impart it.
DAW mixer is completely linear. if you understand what "linear" means, you will recognize that "DAWs having a sound" is completely illogical (because that would make them not linear). in fact, in another thread, one of the developers mentioned that actually hardware mixers are completely linear as well (so they do not have "a sound"), and any sort of "sound" comes from amplifiers or crosstalk (neither of which are present in a DAW unless you add them with plugins).
so, it is "quite logical" only to a person who does not know how desks and DAWs work. a DAW is an abstraction - an idealized version of a hardware desk, if you will. "idealized" means "does not impart any character unless you want it to", that is to say, completely linear, and hence does not have "a sound".
I don't know what to write here that won't be censored, as I can only speak in profanity.
- KVRist
- 465 posts since 3 Nov, 2023
Same instruments used in both DAWs?THE INTRANCER wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:31 am I have music here on my playlist which is both created in Studio One and Reason. I can hear the difference between the DAWs
Same music?
- Beware the Quoth
- 33297 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
ftfyTHE INTRANCER wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 3:31 am I have music here on my playlist which is both created in Studio One and Reason, so I already know which is which. I can remember the DAWs that have been used, and that means I think I can hear a difference.
my other modular synth is a bugbrand
- KVRAF
- 4864 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit
You are too knowledgeable, intelligent, logical and rational to be in this threadBurillo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 24, 2024 11:59 amno it is not "quite logical".
physical desks "have a sound" because they're not linear devices - the sound comes from preamps, EQ's, etc. which, although strive to be linear, still impart their own character due to either limitations of the time, or deliberately being engineered to impart it.
DAW mixer is completely linear. if you understand what "linear" means, you will recognize that "DAWs having a sound" is completely illogical (because that would make them not linear). in fact, in another thread, one of the developers mentioned that actually hardware mixers are completely linear as well (so they do not have "a sound"), and any sort of "sound" comes from amplifiers or crosstalk (neither of which are present in a DAW unless you add them with plugins).
so, it is "quite logical" only to a person who does not know how desks and DAWs work. a DAW is an abstraction - an idealized version of a hardware desk, if you will. "idealized" means "does not impart any character unless you want it to", that is to say, completely linear, and hence does not have "a sound".
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- addled muppet weed
- 106147 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
we need some files.
someone who has all the hosts, just out put a two min file of silence in each.
then let's see intrancer pick out the reason and studio one silences, to prove his claim.
someone who has all the hosts, just out put a two min file of silence in each.
then let's see intrancer pick out the reason and studio one silences, to prove his claim.