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Trancit · Post by **Trancit** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:42 am

I am still searching for 2 kind of devices:

1. a realtime euclidean chopper (not sequencer!)... means a device which is able to output long incoming notes into chooseable (and best rotatable) euclidean rhythms directly during playback/receiving

2. a realtime quantizer which delays non grid notes to fall into a chosen grid (16th, 8th...etc...)
EDIT: Found!

Would be very kind if one could give me a hint... free or payware... doesn´t matter.

carrieres · Post by **carrieres** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:55 am

Trancit wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:42 am I am still searching for 2 kind of devices:

1. a realtime euclidean chopper (not sequencer!)... means a device which is able to output long incoming notes into chooseable (and best rotatable) euclidean rhythms directly during playback/receiving

2. a realtime quantizer which delays non grid notes to fall into a chosen grid (16th, 8th...etc...)

Would be very kind if one could give me a hint... free or payware... doesn´t matter.

you can quantize while recording midi in the edit menu ...

Trancit · Post by **Trancit** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:26 am

carrieres wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:55 am
Trancit wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 9:42 am I am still searching for 2 kind of devices:

1. a realtime euclidean chopper (not sequencer!)... means a device which is able to output long incoming notes into chooseable (and best rotatable) euclidean rhythms directly during playback/receiving

2. a realtime quantizer which delays non grid notes to fall into a chosen grid (16th, 8th...etc...)

Would be very kind if one could give me a hint... free or payware... doesn´t matter.
you can quantize while recording midi in the edit menu ...

Thx, but it shall be a realtime midi effect plugin...
While this one I just solved... the Midular package contains a realtime quantizer which does what I want...

With the euclidean chopper I am not sure if Live 12´s new midi tools do what I want...
Can somebody with access to the beta tell me if the euclidean section can chop up existing notes too??

carrieres · Post by **carrieres** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:49 am

What is the difference ?
I am talking about realtime as explained in the manual :
17.5 Recording Quantized MIDI Notes
If you will be recording MIDI, you have the option of automatically quantizing MIDI notes while recording. The Record Quantization chooser in the Edit menu allows selecting the meter subdivisions with which your recorded notes will align.

Trancit · Post by **Trancit** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:34 am

carrieres wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:49 am What is the difference ?
I am talking about realtime as explained in the manual :
17.5 Recording Quantized MIDI Notes
If you will be recording MIDI, you have the option of automatically quantizing MIDI notes while recording. The Record Quantization chooser in the Edit menu allows selecting the meter subdivisions with which your recorded notes will align.

The difference is that I am not recording!
I mouse in my Midi (mostly), put in an Midi FX like Tombola and want to realtime listen to the outcome of Tombola already quantized while just playing back and trying out different quantize settings...
Especially on Midi FX which do not put out already quantized midi it´s adding a complete different groove to it...
Try it... you´ll be sometimes surprised what this does...

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:20 pm

Trancit wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 11:34 am
carrieres wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 10:49 am What is the difference ?
I am talking about realtime as explained in the manual :
17.5 Recording Quantized MIDI Notes
If you will be recording MIDI, you have the option of automatically quantizing MIDI notes while recording. The Record Quantization chooser in the Edit menu allows selecting the meter subdivisions with which your recorded notes will align.
The difference is that I am not recording!
I mouse in my Midi (mostly), put in an Midi FX like Tombola and want to realtime listen to the outcome of Tombola already quantized while just playing back and trying out different quantize settings...
Especially on Midi FX which do not put out already quantized midi it´s adding a complete different groove to it...
Try it... you´ll be sometimes surprised what this does...

Is this close to what you want?
https://maxforlive.com/library/device/1 ... i-quantize

Trancit · Post by **Trancit** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 3:43 pm

liquidsound wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:20 pm Is this close to what you want?
https://maxforlive.com/library/device/1 ... i-quantize

Yes... but as I wrote above... this I got already in the Midular package... but thx anyway

What´s still lacking would be a euclidian realtime chopper...

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:04 pm

Trancit wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 3:43 pm
liquidsound wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:20 pm Is this close to what you want?
https://maxforlive.com/library/device/1 ... i-quantize
Yes... but as I wrote above... this I got already in the Midular package... but thx anyway

What´s still lacking would be a euclidian realtime chopper...

Is the chopping before or after quantize ?

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 4:17 pm

Trancit wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 3:43 pm
liquidsound wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 2:20 pm Is this close to what you want?
https://maxforlive.com/library/device/1 ... i-quantize
Yes... but as I wrote above... this I got already in the Midular package... but thx anyway

What´s still lacking would be a euclidian realtime chopper...

Did you look into Audiomodern Gatelab?
It’s free and perhaps can do what you need.
It’s fairly deep.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwv3fgR ... e=emb_logo

Some of the many features:
Random and variable seq length…

Watch the video because it’s more than just a sequencer…
It works with both Audio and MIDI

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:00 pm

^^^ GateLab emits MIDI CC signals, not notes. Trancit is looking for the free version of the Euclidean Keys feature in Falcon (Falcon is brilliant since has MIDI-Out)

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:11 pm

That’s a secondary function…
I think he wants to feed quantized notes into the “chopper”.
Gate lab is a kind of chopper when you take in consideration the gate steps applied Randomly to the incoming midi notes and by changing the seq length loop AND position you can have a similar chopper, if not, better (beside being stereo and mono).

vvv

xbitz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:00 pm ^^^ GateLab emits MIDI CC signals, not notes. Trancit is looking for the free version of the Euclidean Keys feature in Falcon (Falcon is brilliant since has MIDI-Out)

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:24 pm

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WsZEnOXEtg&t=1208s
19:40>

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:26 pm

xbitz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:24 pm [.][.]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WsZEnOXEtg&t=1208s
19:40>

Did you missed 19:40 minutes?

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:34 pm

^^^ that modulates the cutoff with a CC stream, can't see this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hquEBxCPBe0
kind of feature in it

liquidsound · Post by **liquidsound** » Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:42 pm

xbitz wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2023 5:34 pm ^^^ that modulates the cutoff with a CC stream, can't see this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hquEBxCPBe0
kind of feature in it

I understand your point but I think he needs to chop already generated notes (by Tombola) that have been quantized and then fed into GateLab for the gate/chop function in a randomized way in a variable loop length giving the impression of a Euclidean seq.

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