What does the future hold for Magix?
- KVRAF
- 6405 posts since 29 Sep, 2010 from Maui
Clearly a company run by shareholders. Much of the stuff is good though, if long in the tooth.
If you think Samplitude isn't a kick ass DAW, likely you don't know what you're talking
about. Not for everyone though, to be sure. Soundforge and Acid are also good.
I'm sure they have good people, although likely, they aren't allowed to do as they please.
I will buy the stuff if it's cheap enough, not otherwise. Mostly they have different ideas
about that than me, but not always.
If you think Samplitude isn't a kick ass DAW, likely you don't know what you're talking
about. Not for everyone though, to be sure. Soundforge and Acid are also good.
I'm sure they have good people, although likely, they aren't allowed to do as they please.
I will buy the stuff if it's cheap enough, not otherwise. Mostly they have different ideas
about that than me, but not always.
- KVRAF
- 25054 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
chk071 wrote: ↑Sun Apr 07, 2019 9:56 pm I really wished i would get a cent for every "They don't listen to their customers" lament on internet forums. Interestingly, it's often about bigger companies, with a lot of customers, they allegedly don't listen to. Oh well. Probably the one or the other still has this fantastic image in his mind, that companies with ten thousands of customers have some CEO's running around which check internet forums, and read the "common user's" every wish from his lips. Whoever the "common user" is supposed to be. Oh, yeah, the guy posting in a forum, right. So, let's take him, and then let's take another person, and another person, and so on, until we have a couple of hundred different opinions, and end up with a complete mish mash of different opinions, and "great ideas" which of course should be implemented, so that the company "listens to their customers". And have a Frankenstein of a software, which does everything, but nothing really good, and is a complete mess. Yes, it's great to "listen to the customers".
- Rad Grandad
- 38042 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
this isn't a reaper thread
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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- KVRian
- 814 posts since 19 Oct, 2017 from The Empire State
DID SOMEONE SAY REAPER?
The post above this is likely bait, viewer discretion is advised.
- Rad Grandad
- 38042 posts since 6 Sep, 2003 from Downeast Maine
I'm thinkin perhaps a little to dry...
The highest form of knowledge is empathy, for it requires us to suspend our egos and live in another's world. It requires profound, purpose‐larger‐than‐the‐self kind of understanding.
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- KVRAF
- 2051 posts since 11 Aug, 2012 from omfr morf form romf frmo
I don't find their forum useful for tech support; their customer service is quite good. The forum is useful for requesting features but you need to coalesce people to speak up for it. I'm not trying to put responsibility on you but a feature only one person wants is going to be ignored.inkwarp wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:27 pm They have a forum which is pitiable short of useful info. and it feels like if there are any users with issues they are staying mute for the most part. it is the worst forum if you are looking for helpful info.
[...] The truth is there is no clear direction for development. and i don't expect to see any statements to the contrary in the near future. The so-called 'upgrade' for X3 to X4 is, to say the least, very poor, worthy of a fractional number upgrade and certainly not from 3 > 4... just an opinion from someone who thinks SAM has some amazing features.
And yeah, the update cycle is more or less on a schedule as opposed to being triggered by a certain amount of new features. It's funny, they threw in the Vintage FX and Vandal in with the current Sound Forge Suite. But Samplitude and Acid are still their own things, so there's hope. But people that are interested and invested gotta encourage them.
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- KVRAF
- 2169 posts since 7 Dec, 2005
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- KVRian
- 821 posts since 23 Mar, 2013
Sound forge is awesome. Samplitude is awesome but convoluted and remshackled - just like REAPER, funnily enough.I basically see REAPER as the younger sibling of samplitude.
Spectralayers is great but it’s always felt like they’ve been holding back, since day one. There was VST support but it disappeared for some reason. The modern version with VST support would be amazing. Magix sold Spectralayers to Steinberg last year and v6 will be released soon. Hopefully it has VST support. It will have ARA2 support so any host that support will be able to open sound files in Spectralayers just like Melodyne. I’m a little bummer steinberg bought it cause I don’t want to have to use their stupid dongle.
Spectralayers is great but it’s always felt like they’ve been holding back, since day one. There was VST support but it disappeared for some reason. The modern version with VST support would be amazing. Magix sold Spectralayers to Steinberg last year and v6 will be released soon. Hopefully it has VST support. It will have ARA2 support so any host that support will be able to open sound files in Spectralayers just like Melodyne. I’m a little bummer steinberg bought it cause I don’t want to have to use their stupid dongle.
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- KVRAF
- 2169 posts since 7 Dec, 2005
That was an interesting purchase on Steinberg's part - very logical. My assumption is that Spectralayers will either be sold by Steinberg as an independent extra - maybe as part of a Cubase Bundle (perhaps even included in future versions of Nuendo natively) or as a fully independent app.nathanj wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 10:00 am Sound forge is awesome. Samplitude is awesome but convoluted and remshackled - just like REAPER, funnily enough.I basically see REAPER as the younger sibling of samplitude.
Spectralayers is great but it’s always felt like they’ve been holding back, since day one. There was VST support but it disappeared for some reason. The modern version with VST support would be amazing. Magix sold Spectralayers to Steinberg last year and v6 will be released soon. Hopefully it has VST support. It will have ARA2 support so any host that support will be able to open sound files in Spectralayers just like Melodyne. I’m a little bummer steinberg bought it cause I don’t want to have to use their stupid dongle.
Or an interesting third possibility: SL is integrated *directly* into the Cubase/Nuendo DAW itself -
So: does Samplitude's current spectral editing code come from it's association with Spectralayers? If that is the case: what will happen in Samplitude X5? lol - it's possible that Magix sold the code with the understanding that it's licensed for continued use of the Spectralayers code currently integrated into it's DAW - we'll see, right? I'm interested.
Magix is no slouch - they may have made a deal with fellow-German company Steinberg that assures continued development of SL for the foreseeable future (Or I might be wearing a sad pair of rose-colored glasses, instead! )
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- KVRist
- 48 posts since 27 Feb, 2019
I may be wrong, but I feel like spectral editing was in Samplitude prior to the purchase of the Sony Creative software.
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- KVRAF
- 2169 posts since 7 Dec, 2005
Correct - thats why i made a point of emphasizing the word: 'current' - but its possible that the SE code used prior to Magix purchasing Spectralayers from Sony was *already* licensed Spectralayers code - Magix may well have seen it as a strategic buy, since even though it (and Acid and Sound Forge) were not current SOTA products, there was (and is) plenty of potential to move them forward with the right dev teaming; and/or monetizing the products by resale/licensing - which is precisely whats happened to Spectralayers.toddbooster wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2019 12:14 am I may be wrong, but I feel like spectrai editing was in Samplitude prior to the purchase of the Sony Creative software.
I would not be the least bit surprised if there now exists a healthy relationship between Steinberg and Magix - both have parallel full-on production products whos younger brother is a commercial-grade DAW (Sequoia/Samplitude; Nuendo/Cubase) - i personally think that Magix could learn a lot about marketing to the Americas by paying attention to what Steinberg does.
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- KVRian
- 821 posts since 23 Mar, 2013
I’m thinking that because Spectralayers 6 will have ARA2 integration Magix thought let’s just add ARA2 support to Sound Forge and Samplitude and let Steinberg give us a crap load of money and we won’t need to do anything else.
I’m mostly just bummed I’ll need to get a steinberg dongle.
I don’t think the spectral editing in samplitude had/has anything to do with Spectralayers.
I’m mostly just bummed I’ll need to get a steinberg dongle.
I don’t think the spectral editing in samplitude had/has anything to do with Spectralayers.
- KVRian
- 977 posts since 16 Jan, 2012 from UK
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- KVRAF
- 2169 posts since 7 Dec, 2005
My question is if the underlying SE code in SAM X *changed* when they bought SL - or is it the same code as before -
This may indeed be the case - but I doubt that Steinberg paid them a lot of money for it, nathanj. My guess is that there's more to the story - let's see what happens -nathanj wrote:I’m thinking that because Spectralayers 6 will have ARA2 integration Magix thought let’s just add ARA2 support to Sound Forge and Samplitude and let Steinberg give us a crap load of money and we won’t need to do anything else.
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- KVRAF
- 2169 posts since 7 Dec, 2005
nathanj, just to clarify: *any* syncrosoft eLicenser will work - there are several softs that I own licenses for that came with their own Syncro dongle - that I successfully use for different company's license seatings in addition to the original. And, here's a very important point: you can usually install a Syncro license on your hard drive (negating the need for a USB dongle)
https://helpcenter.steinberg.de/hc/en-u ... eLicensers
The dongles themselves have been problem-free in my world, btw - I've used them for years.