You know it's funny because I've always loved Serum, though by the time I had the spare change to buy it I had already moved on to the later and greater and I never did buy it... Vital is supposed to be more powerful, yet I never quite clicked with it. I've always wondered why that was, maybe just because Serum was my first synth love.
SERUM VS VITAL
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- KVRist
- 196 posts since 6 Jul, 2021
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- KVRAF
- 1889 posts since 30 Mar, 2008 from MN, USA
That's a very personal thing, though. They have inspired many other people. But it's all good. De gustibus non disputandum est.
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- KVRian
- 561 posts since 28 Oct, 2014
Exactly the same here. (Though I went Zebra then Serum)PebbleInAStream wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 4:50 pm Vital is supposed to be more powerful, yet I never quite clicked with it. I've always wondered why that was, maybe just because Serum was my first synth love.
For me, I think the problem with Vital is that the gui seems too... how to put it... knocked together, quickly and cheaply.
I mean yeah, everything is nicely laid out, but it all just feels a bit tacky, if that's the right word.
(Though I also think that with Valhalla, but still use those)
I used Vital one time in a track, and truly I was blown away by the quality of the speech synthesis, but still... something about it made me feel that it was going to be abandonware at some point soon. (Not following this thread, so maybe it already is lol)
Then at some point, an update made it go all glitchy and flickery, meaning I had to reset gui size to 100% to fix it in every instance. I gave up at that point
- KVRAF
- 35347 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
Is Vital still being developed?
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- KVRAF
- 5110 posts since 30 May, 2006 from Hollow Earth
He may be waiting for Serum 2 to see what to do with Vital...
MuLab of course
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- KVRAF
- 2345 posts since 20 Oct, 2014
When it comes to specs, isn't Vital simply in any regard more powerful than Serum, but has a even better GUI and higher quality? AFAIK it even can do audio rate modulation. Why then use Serum, other than being used to it or used it in the past?
- KVRAF
- 3079 posts since 25 Apr, 2011
+1Hanz Meyzer wrote: ↑Wed May 08, 2024 6:40 am When it comes to specs, isn't Vital simply in any regard more powerful than Serum, but has a even better GUI and higher quality? AFAIK it even can do audio rate modulation. Why then use Serum, other than being used to it or used it in the past?
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- KVRian
- 679 posts since 29 Dec, 2019
Not sure how anyone can have a "LOT" of synths and replace them all with Vital.
Vital isn't an FM Synth, or a Virtual Analog Synth, or a Granular or Spectral Synth. I think MASSIVE is the only Wavetable Synth that is actually a Virtual Analog Synth as a design intention. Its sound is clearly in that bucket.
Vital is a super clean Wavetable Synth - like Serum - and it sounds good while doing so... but no one is replacing Diva or Sylenth1 with Vital. That doesn't even make any sense. That statement is propaganda. I don't even believe such things when I read them.
It just comes across as the easiest, laziest way to design a mediocre UI. At least everything is sized and scales cleanly, though. Lots of prettier synths fail massively at that...
I think if you're going to do scalable vector GUIs, then you have to use a flatter, more sparse User Interface, because everything has to scale cleanly.
Vital isn't an FM Synth, or a Virtual Analog Synth, or a Granular or Spectral Synth. I think MASSIVE is the only Wavetable Synth that is actually a Virtual Analog Synth as a design intention. Its sound is clearly in that bucket.
Vital is a super clean Wavetable Synth - like Serum - and it sounds good while doing so... but no one is replacing Diva or Sylenth1 with Vital. That doesn't even make any sense. That statement is propaganda. I don't even believe such things when I read them.
It's the UI framework they use. It's the same issue I have with Tracktion Waveform. They have that cheap F/OSS look that I can't jive with._al_ wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 8:16 pm
Exactly the same here. (Though I went Zebra then Serum)
For me, I think the problem with Vital is that the gui seems too... how to put it... knocked together, quickly and cheaply.
I mean yeah, everything is nicely laid out, but it all just feels a bit tacky, if that's the right word.
(Though I also think that with Valhalla, but still use those)
I used Vital one time in a track, and truly I was blown away by the quality of the speech synthesis, but still... something about it made me feel that it was going to be abandonware at some point soon. (Not following this thread, so maybe it already is lol)
Then at some point, an update made it go all glitchy and flickery, meaning I had to reset gui size to 100% to fix it in every instance. I gave up at that point
It just comes across as the easiest, laziest way to design a mediocre UI. At least everything is sized and scales cleanly, though. Lots of prettier synths fail massively at that...
I think if you're going to do scalable vector GUIs, then you have to use a flatter, more sparse User Interface, because everything has to scale cleanly.
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- KVRAF
- 3585 posts since 12 Jan, 2019
Serum filters are coded by Andy of Cytomic, IIRC. I imagine they are better than Vital's, but I have not compared. Not that this matters to everyone--nor does audio rate modulation.
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- KVRer
- 9 posts since 2 Apr, 2024
Serum was the first synth I ever bought. Feels like home, but lately I prefer discovering other instruments, but I have high expectation for Serum 2 and its nice to know it will be a free update.
- KVRist
- 479 posts since 21 Jun, 2002 from Hamburg
Vital sounds too clean
Vital's Ladder @audiorate
Maybe I can even agree that it does these things astonishingly well/clean for being 'just' a Wavetable synth without a fancy interface.
Vital's Ladder @audiorate
Maybe I can even agree that it does these things astonishingly well/clean for being 'just' a Wavetable synth without a fancy interface.
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- KVRAF
- 13333 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from Kingston, Jamaica
I believe only some were and Andy has gone to great length to mention that these are very very old filter algorithms of his.
That said...Vital has outstanding bugs that haven;t been fixed.. Vital had bugs that were eventually fixed a year or more later even though I brought them to his attention with repro and video etc..
Steve (before he seems locked in a cave to finish off serum 2) use to fix bugs a day after being reported many times.
Serum 2 is being developed... lord knows if there will be another vital update at any point.
(and yes I paid for Vital).
For me it is a no brainer.. Serum is in my Prime Time Template, Vital has not even being used in any of my new projects for over a year. And in those that I used them for it was only because of Sound Author's fantastic presets...
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