This is needlessly harsh.
As far as I know there isn't really a naming convention for it.
Some people call it an analog envelopes, non return to zero envelope or even a "singing envelope".
This is needlessly harsh.
This is hilarious, and quietly has been skated over. I'll be straight - at my age I can't tell the slightest difference. I put the WAV into RX Spectral view, and clearly there IS a difference - I can SEE it even though it's subtle. And I don't know which is Dune and which is Legend.Teksonik wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:25 pm Ok here you go goal posts moved. 4 Bars of each:
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Again the statement was "screams digital". If the statement was "sounds a little more digital" then we wouldn't be having this conversation. Hyperbole generates reactions.
Again there are differences but none so much that either one screams anything.
noiseboyuk wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 9:41 amThis is hilarious, and quietly has been skated over. I'll be straight - at my age I can't tell the slightest difference. I put the WAV into RX Spectral view, and clearly there IS a difference - I can SEE it even though it's subtle. And I don't know which is Dune and which is Legend.Teksonik wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:25 pm Ok here you go goal posts moved. 4 Bars of each:
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Again the statement was "screams digital". If the statement was "sounds a little more digital" then we wouldn't be having this conversation. Hyperbole generates reactions.
Again there are differences but none so much that either one screams anything.
But playing devil's advocate, maybe those differences get magnified by filters and modulations?
Even so, terms like "screams digital" seem ridiculous hyperbole to me. That's KVR, taking almost imperceptable differences and turning them into best / worst plugin ever. The Legend HZ looks and sounds terrific. I have Monark for purity and Diva for expanding on the old limits, and I reckon I'm all good.
The naming for it is, indeed, non-RTZ or singing envelope or analogue envelope and fundamentally most vintage analogue mono synths behaved this way. I think most people who grew up with those synths consider RTZ envelopes in an analogue mono emulation incorrect.kraster wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 9:13 amThis is needlessly harsh.
As far as I know there isn't really a naming convention for it.
Some people call it an analog envelopes, non return to zero envelope or even a "singing envelope".
Well, it's "kmonkey", so.
I own dozens of top tier synths including Avenger 2 which is more feature rich than DUNE 3 but I still prefer DUNE's core sound. It is my go to synth for many duties including analog style patches. Avenger 2 is not far behind and has become one of my favorite synths to patch.
All the synths I use on a daily basis have strong character which is why I own them in the first place. Legend HZ is a great synth but will likely never get used in a project here. It will reside in a folder I call "museum" along with all the other simple analog synths. Sometimes I'll take one off the shelf, dust it off, and have a patch and play session but they rarely if ever get used in a project.
But do you need 100 different analog emulations that all have the same range of sounds?
No, you can't move the goal posts now. You said:zerocrossing wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 2:39 amNo, you’re wrong. The tone of a VCO isn’t necessarily obvious on its own. It’s how it interacts with the other VCOs, the slight drift over time. It’s really about the behavior more than the naked sound of a sawtooth or something.
That statement is incorrect and you simply can't prove otherwise. The hundreds of lush analog style patches I've made for DUNE 3 prove to me that nothing about it "screams digital" when properly programmed.zerocrossing wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 2:39 amDune 3 is fantastic, but the oscillators scream “digital,” even if you employ some tricks.
Yes as I said there is a difference no matter how minute. Of course the filters etc are going to make a difference in the final sound but as you say "screams digital" seems ridiculous hyperbole to me especially since I've made so many very pleasing analog patches for DUNE 3.noiseboyuk wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 9:41 amThis is hilarious, and quietly has been skated over. I'll be straight - at my age I can't tell the slightest difference. I put the WAV into RX Spectral view, and clearly there IS a difference - I can SEE it even though it's subtle. And I don't know which is Dune and which is Legend.Teksonik wrote: ↑Sun May 05, 2024 9:25 pm Ok here you go goal posts moved. 4 Bars of each:
Osc Comparison 2
Again the statement was "screams digital". If the statement was "sounds a little more digital" then we wouldn't be having this conversation. Hyperbole generates reactions.
Again there are differences but none so much that either one screams anything.
But playing devil's advocate, maybe those differences get magnified by filters and modulations?
Even so, terms like "screams digital" seem ridiculous hyperbole to me. That's KVR, taking almost imperceptable differences and turning them into best / worst plugin ever. The Legend HZ looks and sounds terrific. I have Monark for purity and Diva for expanding on the old limits, and I reckon I'm all good.
They are right beside you in a parallel universe.audiouser720 wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2024 3:19 pm I agree with the above comments , but where are the Jean-Michel Jarres in this World of perfect and accessible tools?
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