Bitwig 5.2 BETA available
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- KVRian
- 1487 posts since 19 Aug, 2009
No improvements to the browser, they made it worse last time and are keeping it that way
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spoontechnique spoontechnique https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=418750
- KVRist
- 449 posts since 7 May, 2018
Once I customized my collections and set up my context menu, I much preferred the new browser. I would highly recommend giving it a second chance. I wouldn't want to go back to the old browser now.
Inserting compressors on every channel is common for mixing certain styles. Sending everything to an FX return or a group is basically buss compression, which is also useful, but not the same thing. A compressor on a return is reacting to and compressing all the channels going into it. An insert on a snare top mic, or an overhead, or a room, changes only that channel. And putting a compressor or channel strip on every drum channel (often 12+) is not an extreme workflow, it's almost standard for many mixers. I mean, a lot of mixing boards have compressors/gates/EQs built into every channel. Hence the concept of a channel strip. I'd love to build my own Bitwig channel strip for mixing.
Inserting compressors on every channel is common for mixing certain styles. Sending everything to an FX return or a group is basically buss compression, which is also useful, but not the same thing. A compressor on a return is reacting to and compressing all the channels going into it. An insert on a snare top mic, or an overhead, or a room, changes only that channel. And putting a compressor or channel strip on every drum channel (often 12+) is not an extreme workflow, it's almost standard for many mixers. I mean, a lot of mixing boards have compressors/gates/EQs built into every channel. Hence the concept of a channel strip. I'd love to build my own Bitwig channel strip for mixing.
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- KVRAF
- 11278 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales
Hopefully it will be optimised, I have over 30 plug in compressors already (NI, UA, Softube,fabfilter,IK etc) so it either needs to be very light on CPU or better than what I already use to ever get used outside of rack instrument presets.
X32 Desk, i9 PC, S49MK2, Studio One, BWS, Live 12. PUSH 3 SA, Osmose, Summit, Pro 3, Prophet8, Syntakt, Digitone, Drumlogue, OP1-F, Eurorack, TD27 Drums, Nord Drum3P, Guitars, Basses, Amps and of course lots of pedals!
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- KVRAF
- 11278 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales
That’s why I use an X32 desk, I have light gates, compressors and limiters on everything before it hits the converters or recording drums and guitars etc an be a bit messy).spoontechnique wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 2:19 am And putting a compressor or channel strip on every drum channel (often 12+) is not an extreme workflow, it's almost standard for many mixers. I mean, a lot of mixing boards have compressors/gates/EQs built into every channel. Hence the concept of a channel strip. I'd love to build my own Bitwig channel strip for mixing.
X32 Desk, i9 PC, S49MK2, Studio One, BWS, Live 12. PUSH 3 SA, Osmose, Summit, Pro 3, Prophet8, Syntakt, Digitone, Drumlogue, OP1-F, Eurorack, TD27 Drums, Nord Drum3P, Guitars, Basses, Amps and of course lots of pedals!
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- KVRist
- 96 posts since 19 Aug, 2015
Mixing? Rock band? In bitwig? Really? I know there are people who are into fetish but mixing in bitwig… that’s a bit too much.spoontechnique wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 7:59 pm
The CPU drain of Comp+ is a bummer. For mixing a rock band, it's normal to have a compressor on every drum track, every buss, the guitars, multiple layers of vocals, etc. That adds up.
Don’t think this program is suitable for the task as it is 10% DAW and 90% synth. There are better options for mixing.
- KVRAF
- 4206 posts since 13 May, 2004
I do the same. I stopped using Cubase for this task completely. There a quite a lot of people who use Bitwig for non-electronic music.vroteg wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 9:55 amMixing? Rock band? In bitwig? Really? I know there are people who are into fetish but mixing in bitwig… that’s a bit too much.spoontechnique wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2024 7:59 pm
The CPU drain of Comp+ is a bummer. For mixing a rock band, it's normal to have a compressor on every drum track, every buss, the guitars, multiple layers of vocals, etc. That adds up.
Don’t think this program is suitable for the task as it is 10% DAW and 90% synth. There are better options for mixing.
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- KVRist
- 96 posts since 19 Aug, 2015
I know quite a few electronic musicians who produce in bitwig but for mixing opt for more suitable for the task programs. Bitwig missing even basic mixing tools like track manager, vca faders, snapshots, pitch correction, track alignment… etc.
Well, I don’t know how but if it works for you then it works for you. Good luck
- KVRian
- 995 posts since 27 Nov, 2014
If your hands are not growing from the ass, Bitwig has all tools for mixing.vroteg wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:06 amI know quite a few electronic musicians who produce in bitwig but for mixing opt for more suitable for the task programs. Bitwig missing even basic mixing tools like track manager, vca faders, snapshots, pitch correction, track alignment… etc.
Well, I don’t know how but if it works for you then it works for you. Good luck
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spoontechnique spoontechnique https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=418750
- KVRist
- 449 posts since 7 May, 2018
There probably are better options for mixing more "rock band" type projects (although for Linux there's not many). I'm not in a professional studio, so Bitwig is good enough for me. I've tried or used almost every major DAW and I think I would mix 90% the same in most of them.
Bitwig clearly wants to be a DAW that can handle recorded music. They added comping, and now they're adding analog EQ emulations and compressors.
I've used DAWs with snapshots in the past and found I never liked using snapshots. Same for pitch correction, and a lot of people use third party tools (Vocalign?) for track alignment, drum trigger extraction, etc. VCA faders can probably be replicated in Bitwig somehow (but I always prefer groups anyway).
Just cause a DAW has a strong suit doesn't mean it can't do other things. Exceptions being specialized DAWs like Renoise or Blockhead, of course.
Bitwig clearly wants to be a DAW that can handle recorded music. They added comping, and now they're adding analog EQ emulations and compressors.
I've used DAWs with snapshots in the past and found I never liked using snapshots. Same for pitch correction, and a lot of people use third party tools (Vocalign?) for track alignment, drum trigger extraction, etc. VCA faders can probably be replicated in Bitwig somehow (but I always prefer groups anyway).
Just cause a DAW has a strong suit doesn't mean it can't do other things. Exceptions being specialized DAWs like Renoise or Blockhead, of course.
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- KVRist
- 180 posts since 21 Jul, 2001
Does electronic music grow on trees? How does the sound of synths and drumcomputers get in the daw when it's not recorded?spoontechnique wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:56 am Bitwig clearly wants to be a DAW that can handle recorded music.
- KVRAF
- 3262 posts since 3 Jul, 2022
Absolutely, with VSTs like symplant.drsyncenstein wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 12:06 pmDoes electronic music grow on trees?spoontechnique wrote: ↑Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:56 am Bitwig clearly wants to be a DAW that can handle recorded music.
Through midi.How does the sound of synths and drumcomputers get in the daw when it's not recorded?
Are you mixing midi and midi comping ?
Are you playing so freaking well your "drum computer" that you if you correct your midi input manually it will kill the genius of your drum loop ???
Are you serious???
Midi comping is a feature you are absolutely welcome to want. But just don't pretend like a lot of us are giving a f**k about it...
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- KVRist
- 180 posts since 21 Jul, 2001
oh boy..
Midi can't transport sound. None, nothing.
You can make a synth play through midi, but the sounds get recorded by an audiointerface.
Just like any physical instrument.
That's why lots of electronic music gets recorded.
And that's why, even if Bitwig were solely focused on electronic music, recording audio would still be very important for Bitwig.
Midi can't transport sound. None, nothing.
You can make a synth play through midi, but the sounds get recorded by an audiointerface.
Just like any physical instrument.
That's why lots of electronic music gets recorded.
And that's why, even if Bitwig were solely focused on electronic music, recording audio would still be very important for Bitwig.
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- KVRAF
- 11278 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales
Quite a lot of synths and drum machines will do audio over USB now, even along side your normal audio IO (such as Electron) but even with that option about a dozen inputs on my desk are taken with synths. The line level stuff can however be a bit more set and forget over miking amps and drums etc, I always prefer hardware gates and comps on this type of stuff before it hits the AD.
Still less need for pitch correction on midi stuff over vocals and guitar, also I prefer better integrated audio editing, why I switch to another DAW for that type of recording but you can of course do it with any DAW at all including Reason (which has a great mixer and pitch correction)
Still less need for pitch correction on midi stuff over vocals and guitar, also I prefer better integrated audio editing, why I switch to another DAW for that type of recording but you can of course do it with any DAW at all including Reason (which has a great mixer and pitch correction)
X32 Desk, i9 PC, S49MK2, Studio One, BWS, Live 12. PUSH 3 SA, Osmose, Summit, Pro 3, Prophet8, Syntakt, Digitone, Drumlogue, OP1-F, Eurorack, TD27 Drums, Nord Drum3P, Guitars, Basses, Amps and of course lots of pedals!
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- KVRer
- 23 posts since 14 Aug, 2014
I don't get your point. Are you stating that comp+ does not offer anything over your 30 other compressors? No-one is keeping you from using the old compressor for light CPU usage (?).