Are you sure you didnt mistaken? 1st one is the brightest (also analyzer shows it) which is Model 84D-Fusion wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 1:47 pmThe DCO 106 sounded very bright compared to the others in this one.Lbdunequest wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2024 11:22 amI checked your suggested presets and Model 84 sounds very different then Roland Cloud version. Here is an audio file. Same presets you said, playing midi file. 1st is Softube, 2nd Roland and 3rd DCO. Yeah so here is my argument, i guess im right and you are wrong? I mean i just did what you suggested or i did somehow wrong that it sounds so different?Arashi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 9:40 amIf you want to claim Roland's plugin and Model 84 sound "quite different", show your work. Let's see the presets you used to come to that conclusion. Maybe one's just louder than the other. Maybe the filter cutoff doesn't match. Which one sounds similar to DCO-106? Are they both wrong? Post the actual presets if you can. If they're included with the plugins, which ones did you use?Lbdunequest wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 6:14 am But you dont have the hardware now to compare?
Maybe you have blown out speakers? in uncalibrated studio? hearing loss? because Model 84 and Roland Cloud 106 sounds quite different here both in studio with proper setup and headphones.
As for me, I have a few presets I like to use to get a sense of how good a Juno emulation is. A great place to start is "A72 Pluck Sweep". It's one of the original factory presets on the hardware, and it's a really good demonstration of the character of both filters (LPF and HPF), envelope timing, the delayed LFO, and the type II chorus.
You'll find "A72 Pluck Sweep" in the factory presets of Model 84 and DCO-106. In Roland's plugin, it's called "1984 Pluck Sweep", but whoever made the patch didn't quite get it right, so I've attached my tweaked version. I'm not using any effects or tricks — I just tweaked the filters and volume. It's a bank with just one preset (there's no way to export individual presets), which you can import into the Roland plugin.
Load up all three synths and try them out. Play single notes — low ones and high ones. Play chords. Turn up your amazing "proper" headphones so you can hear the way the sound flutters as it fades away. It's a great preset.
Notice the Roland and Softube plugins sound really, really similar. You can pick out some subtle nuances, depending on which notes you play, but they are very close. Now play the same note(s) on DCO-106. It's immediately obvious that it sounds dull (because the filter is not modeled correctly) and lacks stereo width (because the chorus is not modeled correctly). The release curve is wrong too. Go ahead and try to fix the DCO-106 preset. You can try increasing the cutoff, or give it a bit more resonance, or adjust the ENV/KYBD amounts, but the filter character is still wrong. And of course there's nothing you can do about the chorus.
So this is just one example, and it's actually one of the ones where DCO-106 is sort of in the same ballpark (I picked this one because I'm trying to give it a fair shot). Now try "A46 Dark Pluck" — aka "1984 Dark Pluck" in the Roland version (in this case Roland's preset is close enough). I think this one speaks for itself.
There are a lot more examples, but I thought I'd start with those two and see if you want to keep going with this. If you still think I'm wrong, show me why.
https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/m8q28slf ... 1176a&dl=0
One thing i agree on is Chorus, DCO chorus doesnt sound as good.
A Emulation has failed if it doesn't sound close to what it is emulating out of the box.
You can shape most synths to sound similar if you add effects and a Equalizer in the Chain.
2nd is Roland cloud and 3rd DCO, both are similar in terms of brightness