Why not a subtractive synth with LFOs that go to much higher rates?
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 599 posts since 14 Apr, 2019
So basically subtractive plus fm. I'm sure there are some. But I wonder why it's not just common. Anyone know of some?
I mean an LFO that can go at least 20 times higher than the carrier wave. Seems like a very slight change that could really open up potential.
I mean an LFO that can go at least 20 times higher than the carrier wave. Seems like a very slight change that could really open up potential.
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- KVRAF
- 4487 posts since 27 Jul, 2004
1. Most nowadays FM synths already work like a subtractive one...(with filters etc...)
2. There are already some offering this like i.e. PhasePlant every oscillator can modulate every parameter inside at audiorate...
2. There are already some offering this like i.e. PhasePlant every oscillator can modulate every parameter inside at audiorate...
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 599 posts since 14 Apr, 2019
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- KVRAF
- 2070 posts since 5 Oct, 2005
The “L” in lfo stands for “low”.
If you take an lfo into audio rates it’s no longer a low frequency oscillator. It is just a standard oscillator.
It’s a bit like asking why there are no 6 foot dwarfs.
If you take an lfo into audio rates it’s no longer a low frequency oscillator. It is just a standard oscillator.
It’s a bit like asking why there are no 6 foot dwarfs.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 599 posts since 14 Apr, 2019
...and fm synths are really phase modulation synths. I know what lfo stands for.
- KVRAF
- 4590 posts since 7 Jun, 2012 from Warsaw
Standard synth oscillators are tuned to incoming MIDI pitch, while LFOs are not.If you take an lfo into audio rates it’s no longer a low frequency oscillator. It is just a standard oscillator.
...or maybe there are some internet haters that prevent low frequency oscillators from being fast, there are surely not rational or technical limitations.
One issue I see is LFO tuning - if you have one little knob controlling range from 0.001 Hz to 20 kHz, it's difficult to dial any particular value.
The other may be some fetish for "analog emulation" - if original synth had low frequency range, the new one has this limit as well.
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- KVRAF
- 2070 posts since 5 Oct, 2005
Depends on the synth. Some of mine don’t even have midi and with some you can disable the keyboard/midi control of oscillators.DJ Warmonger wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:41 pm Standard synth oscillators are tuned to incoming MIDI pitch, while LFOs are not.
There actually are technical limitations and rational decisions but it has nothing to do with weather you hate the internet or not.DJ Warmonger wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:41 pm ...or maybe there are some internet haters that prevent low frequency oscillators from being fast, there are surely not rational or technical limitations.
And yet you ask for one that is high frequency.
Yes,Yamaha DX,etc use phase modulation but there’s still alot of actual fm out there.
Some oscillators (lfo’s and audiorate) have a range switch to make dialling in precise values a bit easier and some have numerical values you can enter.
Last edited by Acid Mitch on Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:23 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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- addled muppet weed
- 105984 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
https://discworld.fandom.com/wiki/Carro ... ounderssonAcid Mitch wrote: ↑Tue Jan 21, 2020 12:12 pm The “L” in lfo stands for “low”.
If you take an lfo into audio rates it’s no longer a low frequency oscillator. It is just a standard oscillator.
It’s a bit like asking why there are no 6 foot dwarfs.
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- KVRAF
- 2070 posts since 5 Oct, 2005
^ He’s a human adopted by Dwarves. Just like an audiorate lfo is really just an oscillator adopted by the modulation bus.
Last edited by Acid Mitch on Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:19 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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- addled muppet weed
- 105984 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
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- KVRAF
- 2070 posts since 5 Oct, 2005
You did have me thinking “wtf, how’s that even possible” for a minute.
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- addled muppet weed
- 105984 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass