DUNE 3 is now available!!

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Elektronisch
KVRAF
3688 posts since 3 Feb, 2010

Post Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:41 pm

overhishead wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 4:38 am
Elektronisch wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:32 am
MutantHero wrote:
Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:20 am
Also will you make a legit SFZ creation utility to go along with Zampler//RX please? Sorely needed. Nice engine and GUI there.
actually thats an awesome suggestion/feature request because Zampler//RX is broken and always crashes.
Do you use the Pluginboutique/Loopmasters version of Zampler? that one crashes like crazy. the Beat version never crashed on me.

also, protip: if you want to make a sample loop in Zampler, you have to set the loop points in a WAV editor and presto! you now have sustain :)
Unfortunetly both versions crash to me :(

thanks for the tip! id use it if Zampler wouldnt crash :D its funny tho, ever since i tried zampler few years ago it always crashed since then, never had a proper uncrashing expierience :lol:

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KVRAF
5770 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:17 pm

Elektronisch wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:41 pm
Zampler
you want this thread

viewtopic.php?p=7574424

e-crooner
KVRian
515 posts since 22 Aug, 2019

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:43 am

Teksonik wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 7:41 pm
e-crooner wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:31 pm
Readouts don't pop up willy nilly :)
They would if they popped up on mouse over rather than on left click as you propose.

If you own Sektor you'll know what you mean. :wink:
e-crooner wrote:
Thu Nov 14, 2019 12:31 pm
A separate value readout display is pretty much standard, for instance with U-he, Tal and Air synths.
I don't care one bit what is "standard". In my opinion having the parameter readout attached to the parameter you're focusing on is far more efficient. I own Hive 2, Diva, and several Air synths and I find Dune 3's method far superior.

But make it a feature request and see what happens. You never know what updates will contain.

Personally I hope Synapse doesn't waste a second on changing the readout system but good luck with your request. :tu:
Well, if readouts pop up willy nilly in the global display on mouse over, I find that useful. I think it is perfect in Sylenth1, although the readout in the display is a bit too small. I love the big readout on Tal synths.
At least the readout is in blue numbers on the light skin, that's easier to notice than on the dark skin.

No, don't worry, it won't be a feature request on my part.

e-crooner
KVRian
515 posts since 22 Aug, 2019

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:51 am

Frankly, I still don't quite understand that whole Dune engine, the point of those zillions of oscillators, waveforms or whatever they are. As far as I can see, Dune is not multi-timbral, right? And when the oscillators all play the same patch, I don't hear any real difference compared to similar synths to be honest.

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Teksonik
KVRAF
12857 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:24 pm

If you look at Dune 3 as 8 separate synths, 2 Effect Modules, and 2 Arp/Seq modules in a Rack it gets easier to understand.

Each Layer (or Voice as they're called in D3) has 2 main Oscs and a Sub. The Mains can be VA, FM or Wavetable synthesis and they have their own Unison capabilities (Density) even for the FM and WT Oscs. Each Layer can be routed to one or both of the FX Modules and either Arp 1 or Arp 2 or neither.

That enables you to build up complex sounds by adding layers or even a single layer can yield awesome sounds. You can go from a simple classic Saw Wave bass all the way to complex Arp/Seq patches.

Or you can simply Stack Layers and use the Unison Voices Detune.

D3 is not Multi-Timbral in the sense that each Layer can respond to different Midi channels and the Layers can not be split.

Midi Range Per Layer has been requested many times in the past but if I remember correctly there is something in the Dual Unison Engine that does not lend itself to Splits.

Oh and you can change the color of the readout text in the configuration file to your particular taste. :tu:
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e-crooner
KVRian
515 posts since 22 Aug, 2019

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:49 pm

Thank you for the explanation.
Referring to a layer as a voice is a bit unfortunate.
I will try to figure out tomorrow how it all works.
According to your description I could put a bell on voice 1, strings on voice 2, and a choir sound on voice 3, for instance, correct?

recursive one
KVRAF
4317 posts since 7 Feb, 2013

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:13 pm

Teksonik wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:24 pm
Dual Unison Engine
Differential, not dual.

In fact, it's sort if mix up of global unison and layers. A bit confusing at first but you can get used it. The easiest way to use it is to dial few voices and add some detune and stereo spread (sort of like Virus). Or you can edit all the voices independently and then it will be basically equal to stacking few instances of the synth in your DAW except that you won't be able to process the layers separately.
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Teksonik
KVRAF
12857 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA

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Post Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:00 pm

recursive one wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:13 pm
Teksonik wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:24 pm
Dual Unison Engine
Differential, not dual.
Yes you are correct. I misspoke. I was thinking of the two ways to do Unison. :dog:
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Teksonik
KVRAF
12857 posts since 16 Sep, 2001 from Las Vegas,USA

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:12 pm

e-crooner wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:49 pm
According to your description I could put a bell on voice 1, strings on voice 2, and a choir sound on voice 3, for instance, correct?
Absolutely yes you could. I have have done patches very similar to that.

Keeping in mind that Dune 3 is not a full sample player but uses single cycle waveform and builds Wavetables from them. You can use a single Waveform or sweep through the WT with for example an LFO to bring motion to the sound.

So the Choir won't be a super realistic sampled choir but it's still possible to get some nice vocal sounds.

Bells are quite easy either using the Fm or WT Oscs and Lush Synth Strings are super easy. :tu:
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HTT
KVRist
32 posts since 14 Jul, 2019

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:07 pm

Will there be Dune 3 BF deal?

Caine123
KVRAF
6117 posts since 5 Aug, 2009

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Fri Nov 22, 2019 6:18 am

HTT wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:07 pm
Will there be Dune 3 BF deal?
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KVRAF
5770 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

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Post Fri Nov 22, 2019 8:05 am

HTT wrote:
Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:07 pm
Will there be Dune 3 BF deal?
bum fondle?

GRUMP
KVRist
80 posts since 11 Jun, 2019 from Darmstadt, Germany

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Post Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:40 am

e-crooner wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:51 am
Frankly, I still don't quite understand that whole Dune engine, the point of those zillions of oscillators, waveforms or whatever they are. As far as I can see, Dune is not multi-timbral, right? And when the oscillators all play the same patch, I don't hear any real difference compared to similar synths to be honest.
That is surely a Matter of the Targets you want to achive. You don´t need 15 Voices and 6 Layers for a classice Lead Sound. From my Point of View - my Focus are VOX Sounds - DUNE is the Perfect Tool, while Zebra etc. have become secondary.

I also like to work "additive". Stapling Harmonics. DUNEs Layers Architecture delivers all I need to do that in a very comfortable way.

The Overall Sound is suitable for my ears, too - and the FX simply sound great.
Sound Design - VOX, Airy, Choir

GRUMP
KVRist
80 posts since 11 Jun, 2019 from Darmstadt, Germany

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Post Fri Nov 22, 2019 9:50 am

Teksonik wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:12 pm
e-crooner wrote:
Fri Nov 15, 2019 1:49 pm
According to your description I could put a bell on voice 1, strings on voice 2, and a choir sound on voice 3, for instance, correct?
[...]

So the Choir won't be a super realistic sampled choir but it's still possible to get some nice vocal sounds.

Bells are quite easy either using the Fm or WT Oscs and Lush Synth Strings are super easy. :tu:
DUNE has superb Qualities to make VOX-Sounds I have not seen in an other Synth before. If you want a real Choir take a Sampler. If you better want to turn your Sample into a Wavetable (or create a Wavetable anyhow!) and make a VOX-Sound / Airy Pad Dune is - i. m. O. - a really advantageous and Time saving Choice.
Sound Design - VOX, Airy, Choir

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KVRAF
5770 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

Re: DUNE 3 is now available!!

Post Fri Nov 22, 2019 10:07 am

I made some great vox stuff using vox WTs I sampled from a Prophet VS

MK also made some great vox stuff, but he is a genius

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