Waves announce V11...

[Obsolete236871]

Had everything running great on Windows 7 these last few years with Waves...... now Waves 11 right after putting out 10... but now no support for Windows 7 with version 11???????? What gives man????? Not cool!!!!!!!

Windows 7 will be generally out of support beginning next year. So it's kind of makes sense. Many other developers have dropped support for Windows 7 for quite some time ago.

You probably have a Win 10 (or Win 8 ) system, so it's easy to take that position. Win 7 is still quite popular among Audio people, many of whom are not like gamers, that buy a new computer every year, but rather invest the money in new plugins and hardware and maintain their working environment over years.

Regardless whether you are personally a current Win 7 user or not - you should be able to understand that essentially showing the middle-finger to those users who have maintained their Windows 7 setup fully functional over many years, is not considered best practice in terms of user relations.

By the way: just a week ago I saw a documentary about a neurosurgeon working in a modern facility in Germany and his operating theater involved a machine that did run Windows XP. Clearly, there is no actual reason to go Win 10, unless you are one of these poor souls who easily fall prey to the marketing endeavours of corporations like Microsoft.

With that being said: has someone checked whether V11 plugins run on Windows 7, even if Waves have stopped supporting it?

[chk071]

By the way: just a week ago I saw a documentary about a neurosurgeon working in a modern facility in Germany and his operating theater involved a machine that did run Windows XP. Clearly, there is no actual reason to go Win 10, unless you are one of these poor souls who easily fall prey to the marketing endeavours of corporations like Microsoft.

That's a completely nonsensical comparison, as that neurosurgeon's software is probably so old that it won't run on anything else but Windows XP. Especially in such areas you can't expect the IT to be extremely modern, because - they don't have the money to bulk up, they're not able to pay software developers to constantly get the software up and running on more current OS's, and, in general, the need isn't there, and their system won't be on the net anyway.

Windows 7 gets less and les popular, BTW, just check the stats. And, at the latest in early 2020, many people will take the jump, because Windows 7 is EOL then.

[Obsolete236871]

@chk071

Completely false assessment. If Windows XP can run a neurosurgical operating theater, including highly specialised machines that are needed to navigate surgical procedures into the most sensitive and complex biological organ known in the entire universe, then it surely can run Waves Renaissance EQ!

So, obviously there is no need for Windows 10 if we look at the issue purely analytical and rationally. So please don't be a Bill Gates fanboy, when you could just as easily just accept the facts and admit that nothing that Windows 10 supposedly has to offer is needed to run trivial audio plugins, that could just as easily run on Windown 98.

[chk071]

Completely false assessment. If Windows XP can run a neurosurgical operating theater, including highly specialised machines that are needed to navigate surgical procedures into the most sensitive and complex biological organ known in the entire universe, then it surely can run Waves Renaissance EQ!

Eh, no. If it is developed against stuff which is only available in more current Windows versions, then it surely won't run on Windows XP.

That's not the point though anyway. Windows XP isn't supported by any major DAW apart from Reaper. XP isn't a popular OS, it is only run by a small percentage of people nowadays, and, it's surely even less popular among people who use their computer for music production. It just doesn't make sense for companies to test their software on, and to support people who use it which might have problems with the software.

TBH, i find it hard to believe that we have to discuss this in 2019.

So please don't be a Bill Gates fanboy, when you could just as easily just accept the facts and admit that nothing that Windows 10 supposedly has to offer is needed to run trivial audio plugins, that could just as easily run on Windown 98.

Not sure if serious or kidding, to be honest. Did Windows 98 even have support for multi core CPU's? *lols*

I remember that Windows 98 SE actually delivered USB support sequently. At least something.

[Wnws]

If the surgeon is using XP and is connected to a network even if in house only he or she risks malware or other viruses. I certainly don’t want to be cut open by that risk.

[Aloysius]

+1 and they should definitely consider going back to iLok. There are too many idiots who leave their keys behind. It would be a good help to them. Two activation's ought to do it. That being said, they probably forget to put their trousers on in the mornings too, so it's a wonder they even make it to the studio without getting arrested.

[robotmonkey]

By the way: just a week ago I saw a documentary about a neurosurgeon working in a modern facility in Germany and his operating theater involved a machine that did run Windows XP. Clearly, there is no actual reason to go Win 10, unless you are one of these poor souls who easily fall prey to the marketing endeavours of corporations like Microsoft.

Sorry but this is factually wrong. Running Windows XP today is tantamount to criminal negligence as this has huge computer security ramification. Why do you think all those terrible ransomware attacks have happened in health care sector? Windows 7 is just much more secure and suitable to enterprise that there's no comparison. Windows 10 furthermore improves greatly on security over Windows 7 (but it's mixed bag otherwise).

Supporting Windows 7 is just not viable in the long run. It will generate a development and support overhead that will be a great burden. For Waves to develop V11 with a phased out operating system in mind would have been pretty bad and shortsighted move.

As Windows is pretty good when compatibility is concerned, at first there won't be probably that many issues running V11 on Windows 7. But as development frameworks and underlying technologies morph it eventually probably won't be viable.

[jochicago]

RE: Win 7
I completely get your point about wanting to stay on Win7. It's a great OS, nothing wrong with it. Not that long ago I wanted to stay on XP, also a great OS and nothing wrong with it.

But it's simply about it being an unsupported platform. Microsoft themselves are pulling the plug. If you have a problem with it (and I understand that you would) your problem is with Microsoft, not with the software makers that have to abandon an unsupported platform.

And your point about anyone using an old OS professionally, those are being supported professionally by a third party. There's a team of IT people that decided to keep that on XP and are going to answer for it if anything goes wrong. That's not the case with your computer at home. As a consumer your OS EOL is when the manufacturer says so, and those making consumer software for it have to move on.

Again, hate on M$ all you want. But this is not on the software makers. You are the one choosing to stay on an old unsupported platform. M$ has made Win 8 and Win 10 available for free for anyone on Win 7. I think you can still upgrade for free to Win 10 (not sure if that's still on). You chose to stay on Win 7. You can't force the rest of the world to stay on it with you. If that was a thing, we'd all still be on XP by my command.

[chk071]

Windows 8 wasn't free for Windows 7 users. Windows 10 was free for Windows 7 and 8 users (upgrade inside the OS). And, you can still activate a new Win 10 installation with your Win 7 or 8 key.

[e-crooner]

My browser won't even open the Waves website because of some device recognition attempt on their part. Sneaky company...

[chk071]

Um... you are aware though that literally every website checks what device you're on the one or the other way? It's already done to display the website according to your devices display type and size.

[e-crooner]

Obviously they are trying more than that because this is only the second site that got blocked in like half a year.

[Obsolete236871]

My browser won't even open the Waves website because of some device recognition attempt on their part. Sneaky company...

They are from a country that is well known for their "cyber security experise" and for producing malware that can even implode Iranian nuclear plants, so I'm not really surprised.

[chk071]

Dude, i haven't read one decent sentence from you in this thread. If you have nothing senseful to say, then sometimes it's really recommendable to just keep the mug shut.

[Obsolete236871]

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