KVR Audio

festeringheap · Post by **festeringheap** » Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:02 pm

Does anyone know how many total GB of samples are in the Rack Extensions of the Suite offering?

At the Prop Shop, It doesn’t show what the download size of each RE is.

Arashi · Post by **Arashi** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:47 am

EnochLight wrote: ↑Sat Sep 14, 2019 5:10 pm I just dropped a crap ton of money on a bunch of Roland Aria gear, as I’m trying to get away from staring at my computer all of the time. I’ll still pick up 11, though.

I've been doing the same thing this year. I still love software synths, and I have a Komplete Kontrol S49, which makes it a lot nicer to use NI and NKS instruments, but hardware synths with purpose-built controls are much more inspiring and fun to use. I started with the System-8 and soon added a TB-03, SH-01A, TR-08, and TR-09. They're all really fun, but the System-8 in particular makes it so quick and easy to dial in new sounds that I've made tons of custom patches — something I used to do all the time with the SubTractor when all I had was Reason 1.0, but as my VST collection grew and software synths got more complicated, I just couldn't get into it anymore.

I also bought a Maschine mk3, which is a really great way to jam and build ideas without ever looking at the computer. There's a good chance I'll add a Push 2 so I can do the same thing with Ableton Live, using Maschine a plugin with the Maschine hardware dedicated to it.

Anyway, I'm still going to upgrade to Reason 11 on day one. The Reason rack plugin looks like a great way to use all my favorite Reason devices without being burdened by the standalone app and its clumsy, space-wasting layout and frustratingly poor performance on my 5K iMac (which they don't seem capable of fixing), or the hassles of ReWire, all of which added up to Reason mostly sitting on the shelf (so to speak) unused for the last few years.

I've been using the beta for a few days, and it works pretty well. I wish I could load a single Reason rack and somehow use all of its instruments independently — it has the separate audio outputs needed for this, but no way to control individual devices with different MIDI channels (all incoming MIDI goes to all devices). Having separate racks for each instrument loses some of the benefits like using the gate outputs of individual Redrum sounds to trigger things on other devices.

Other than that, though, it's really nice to be able to directly integrate Reason devices in Logic and Ableton Live without having to deal with ReWire. I put up with that for many, many years, but never really liked it.

Benutzername · Post by **Benutzername** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:23 pm

I'm using the Reason system since Rebirth 1.0 came out. I did tons of stuff with it, especially with the 1.5 version. Using Rewire was the only option as Cubase VST didn't support instrument plugins. Heck, most VSTs didn't even have GUIs back then. Rewire always worked great.

At some point I upgraded to Reason and still got a lot of stuff done with it. I even bought Balance and still use it today. Over the years I switched almost completely over to VST based DAWs with enhanced editing capabilities and modern UI concepts. I kept updating Reason up to the latest version and even invested in a lot of REs. I still like the sounds that I can get out of it but the workflow is just not for me anymore.

Skeuomorphism was great in 1999 but in 2019 I prefer modern UIs that are optimized for computer screens. If I want to use hardware like interfaces then I'll grab a real piece of hardware. There have never been so many great and still affordable synths and gadgets on the market as now. I recently bought a used Roland SE-02 for the same price as a Reason Suite upgrade would cost and I absolutely love it. Using it feels like I'm using Rebirth again.

However, I think that I will still upgrade to the suite to transfer my invest over to the modern world and also get some nice instruments along with it. But that's it. For the future I don't see why I should invest more money into this system. I already now have way more sounds than I ever could use. So updates with just more content don't interest me. The v12 has to be a fundamental upgrade to Reason's core system with an enormous amount of new features that brings it on par with the other DAWs out there. Maybe then I'll consider it again.

SmajjL · Post by **SmajjL** » Mon Sep 16, 2019 1:08 pm

Is it the 25th yet? hepp...

Since I have GAS, might as well go for Reason also..

But seriously, the president of VSTs needs to step up the scaleing thing, right U-he/Bitwig?

Arashi · Post by **Arashi** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:16 am

Benutzername wrote: ↑Mon Sep 16, 2019 12:23 pmSkeuomorphism was great in 1999 but in 2019 I prefer modern UIs that are optimized for computer screens. If I want to use hardware like interfaces then I'll grab a real piece of hardware. There have never been so many great and still affordable synths and gadgets on the market as now. I recently bought a used Roland SE-02 for the same price as a Reason Suite upgrade would cost and I absolutely love it. Using it feels like I'm using Rebirth again.

I think the modern version of ReBirth is a TR-08, TR-09, and TB-03. The emulations are way better than ReBirth (even though it was amazing at the time), and it's a lot more fun to play with physical controls. I also really like the way the sequencers work exactly like the originals, and also include some improvements like the alternate step mode on the TB-03 or the ability to program substeps on the TR-08 and TR-09. I have all three and I love them. I also added an SH-01A, and will very likely buy an SE-02 at some point as well.

I know some people prefer to use Reason as a standalone app, and I don't think they should get rid of it. But for my purposes it's so far behind the competition (it's still missing features I had in Logic 20 years ago) that I'm a lot more interested in using the rack plugin to incorporate the best part of Reason in more powerful and mature DAWs. Reason 11 still can't even send MIDI clock to more than one device! Everything else I use (Logic, Ableton Live, and Maschine) can at least send MIDI clock to all devices. In the case of Logic and Live you can even set different offsets for each one. With the number of amazing hardware devices that are now available, and how incredibly inexpensive they are compared to 10 or 20 years ago, not playing well with hardware is a serious problem for any audio software.

As I described earlier, it's a bummer you can't load a single Reason rack into your DAW and use it for multiple independent instruments and effects. Cross-routing between devices is the whole point of the rack, and having them siloed into separate rack instances means you can't do that. I hope they're planning to move toward that model in the next major version.

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:31 am

Arashi wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:16 am I think the modern version of ReBirth is a TR-08, TR-09, and TB-03. The emulations are way better than ReBirth (even though it was amazing at the time), and it's a lot more fun to play with physical controls.

As a recent owner of a TR-8, TB-3, MX-1, and System 8 & 1 - I couldn't agree more!

Arashi · Post by **Arashi** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:59 am

EnochLight wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:31 amAs a recent owner of a TR-8, TB-3, MX-1, and System 8 & 1 - I couldn't agree more!

That's a fun light show! Some of the earlier Aira designs are a little over the top, but I really like the look of the newer stuff like System-8 and TR-8S. I'm glad they toned it down a bit by removing the green borders from more recent Aira stuff. I don't understand the complaints about it being ugly or looking like a "gaming PC". (What's this stuff "supposed" to look like?)

What do you think of the MX-1? Looks pretty versatile. The Aira Link ports also support the boutiques, yeah? I see only one of the USB ports provides bus power. Can you use a powered hub to connect more boutiques?

I've been thinking of picking up a System-1m at some point. Don't really need the keyboard (though I do like the scatter function, which you don't get on the module), and I don't have the space for it anyway.

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:19 am

Arashi wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 12:59 am What do you think of the MX-1? Looks pretty versatile. The Aira Link ports also support the boutiques, yeah? I see only one of the USB ports provides bus power. Can you use a powered hub to connect more boutiques?

I've been thinking of picking up a System-1m at some point. Don't really need the keyboard (though I do like the scatter function, which you don't get on the module), and I don't have the space for it anyway.

Freaking LOVE the MX-1! Probably the best money I've spent on a mixer to date - it's such a blast to play with. Yeah, the Aria USB Link ports support a bunch of devices now - not just Aria stuff. Boutiques included. Only one of the ports are powered - I haven't tried hooking up a hub or anything. I'm using it to power my TB-3.

I considered the System 1m as well, but ultimately I wanted the Scatter function (and I have the room, so I figured - what the hell). I do agree the newer Aria designs are nicer. Been thinking about changing the neon green line color around the perimeter of the System 1, TB-3, and TR-8 and changing it to black. We'll see.

stash98 · Post by **stash98** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:03 pm

Im switching to reason from ableton after using this demo for version 10. Just an incredibly musical daw that is very easy for my workflow and i love mixing in it as well.

I also had the push 2 and was not a fan. I missed a normal keyboard quite honestly. So i going to get a Nektar t4 so i can quickly assign knobs for automation. Anyone using this?

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:39 pm

stash98 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:03 pm Im switching to reason from ableton after using this demo for version 10. Just an incredibly musical daw that is very easy for my workflow and i love mixing in it as well.

I also had the push 2 and was not a fan. I missed a normal keyboard quite honestly. So i going to get a Nektar t4 so i can quickly assign knobs for automation. Anyone using this?

If you can afford consider waiting until 25th and get the 11 Suite - the 16 additional REs included there are (mostly) awesome and worth the extra $120. Some of the highlights:
https://www.propellerheads.com/shop/rac ... nthesizer/
https://www.propellerheads.com/shop/rac ... on/parsec/
https://www.propellerheads.com/shop/rac ... lub-drums/
https://www.propellerheads.com/shop/rac ... drum-kits/
https://www.propellerheads.com/shop/rac ... tric-bass/
https://www.propellerheads.com/shop/rac ... sequencer/
https://www.propellerheads.com/shop/rac ... generator/

I never used Nektar's devices, but hear they're really well integrated with Reason so that's a good way to go.

Also as a Push user you might look at that: http://retouchcontrol.com/pusher/

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:54 pm

stash98 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:03 pm So i going to get a Nektar t4 so i can quickly assign knobs for automation. Anyone using this?

I've got the Nektar P4 and its grab function is the same as the T4. It works seamlessly with Reason and is really easy to setup.

Also, antic604 makes a good point. That's a fantastic deal if you want the content.

sacer · Post by **sacer** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:18 pm

anyone else gots bluescreens after exit reason 11 on win 10 ?

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:22 pm

sacer wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:18 pm anyone else gots bluescreens after exit reason 11 on win 10 ?

Wrong forum. You should post a report in the beta forum.

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:30 pm

sacer wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:18 pm anyone else gots bluescreens after exit reason 11 on win 10 ?

If you're getting it, you should obviously file a bug report - you understand you're part of BETA TESTERS group and that's your "obligation" you agreed to when applying for participating in it?

stash98 · Post by **stash98** » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:44 pm

antic604 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:39 pm
stash98 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:03 pm Im switching to reason from ableton after using this demo for version 10. Just an incredibly musical daw that is very easy for my workflow and i love mixing in it as well.

I also had the push 2 and was not a fan. I missed a normal keyboard quite honestly. So i going to get a Nektar t4 so i can quickly assign knobs for automation. Anyone using this?
If you can afford consider waiting until 25th and get the 11 Suite - the 16 additional REs included there are (mostly) awesome and worth the extra $120. Some of the highlights:
https://www.propellerheads.com/shop/rac ... nthesizer/
https://www.propellerheads.com/shop/rac ... on/parsec/
https://www.propellerheads.com/shop/rac ... lub-drums/
https://www.propellerheads.com/shop/rac ... drum-kits/
https://www.propellerheads.com/shop/rac ... tric-bass/
https://www.propellerheads.com/shop/rac ... sequencer/
https://www.propellerheads.com/shop/rac ... generator/

I never used Nektar's devices, but hear they're really well integrated with Reason so that's a good way to go.

Also as a Push user you might look at that: http://retouchcontrol.com/pusher/

Yeah im definitely waiting until the 25th. I am demoing some of the rack extensions now and i love them. My plan is to buy 11 suite. My demo expires in 2 weeks so its perfect timing.

Reason 11 announced!!!