Has any Windows 10 DAW users....
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 7809 posts since 24 Feb, 2003 from Earth, USA
...not bother to remove all the excess bloat and garbage that MS makes you install and everything still runs smoothly on your system? Just curious if it's worth the effort or not?
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- KVRAF
- 5970 posts since 16 Aug, 2017 from UK
I remove unused apps, disable Cortana, install classic shell. All the usual tweaks, disable unnecessary background apps/services, max power settings, set options to best performance, disable startup apps. Disable Windows sounds and turn off search indexing.
Tried O&O ShutUp10, it always ended up with the dreaded "some settings are managed by your system administrator".
A few apps
Remove Bloat from Windows 10
Windows10Debloater
Disclaimer, I haven't tried any of the above.
10AppsManager
Tried O&O ShutUp10, it always ended up with the dreaded "some settings are managed by your system administrator".
A few apps
Remove Bloat from Windows 10
Windows10Debloater
Disclaimer, I haven't tried any of the above.
10AppsManager
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- KVRAF
- 35486 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Define bloat. Define garbage. Define what you are looking for exactly. Then someone might be able to reply to your question. Whatever it is exactly.
Pre-installed software won't be a issue at all, if there is no background task running when Windows is booted.
Pre-installed software won't be a issue at all, if there is no background task running when Windows is booted.
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- KVRAF
- 3089 posts since 4 May, 2012
I haven't updated W10 since I installed it over a year ago. I purchased W10 with the Creators Update and made sure my PC was not connected to the internet when I first set it up. A surprising number of system tasks can be turned off to improve performance and startup time. I've had no software issues.
- KVRAF
- 10278 posts since 7 Sep, 2006 from Roseville, CA
Yeah, I did that. By the time I was done uninstalling all that crap, I ended up with an iMac.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 7809 posts since 24 Feb, 2003 from Earth, USA
Sure. All the stuff that's in/on the Windows Start menu from the time you do the first install. Basically do the install and do nothing else.
Devon
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- KVRAF
- 35486 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
If you're into pointless work. Those apps won't harm. If you are looking for the last extra tiny bit of performance, rather take a look at autostart apps, and services which are running, and try to otpimize there.
So, regarding your question "Is it worth the effort?". No, in my opinion, it isn't. Especially considering how big hard drives are these days.
So, regarding your question "Is it worth the effort?". No, in my opinion, it isn't. Especially considering how big hard drives are these days.
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- KVRian
- 710 posts since 17 Jan, 2005 from Amsterdam
With the exception of setting the power plan to high performance and disabling a few startup apps, there's really not much that would make a significant performance difference - if you got quality hardware. Turning off WiFi and using a wired LAN connection for internet instead can reduce audio crackling in super low latency tracking situations. But there's absolutely no need to cripple Windows 10 down to an unusable state, like many suggest. That's just silly in my opinion. I use my PC for gaming as well and have Defender, Bluetooth and all sorts of background apps running, and yet I can still work on heavy audio projects with no issues.
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- KVRian
- 710 posts since 17 Jan, 2005 from Amsterdam
In fact I recently went through "optimizing a Windows PC for audio" and changed settings in the bios, deactivated Windows services and all the BS many blogs and even trusted hardware manufacturers suggest. And what for? I gained absolutely nothing, besides leaving Windows in a state of uselessness. Some people may get excited of bringing down their latency by 0.03ms, so if you're in that camp, go for it...
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- KVRian
- 710 posts since 17 Jan, 2005 from Amsterdam
Now if you buy a PC/Laptop from HP, Dell, Lenovo etc. things look a little different. They usually include plenty of bloatware and "services" that can bring down your performance significantly. But then that's not the fault of Windows 10.
- KVRAF
- 5970 posts since 16 Aug, 2017 from UK
Having he ability to switch configuration profiles on the fly sounds interesting.
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Smart PC Utilities. Game Fire
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Smart PC Utilities. Game Fire
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- GRRRRRRR!
- 15977 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle
That thing looks like bloatware/snake oil right out of the box. It's an extra application running on your system to make temporary changes to things you can easily enough change yourself. No thanks.
I used to do all the rubbish The Noodlist mentioned when I had a single core Pentium CPU, 256MB of RAM and a 10GB HDD but these days it is all completely unnecessary. Windows 10 already uses one-third fewer system resources than Win7 (half that of XP) and with a modern CPU you really won't notice any difference. I'd make the effort on my Atom powered 8" tablet, if I ever wanted to use it for music production, but on my 17" hexa-core i7 laptop it would be a complete waste of my time. I wouldn't even bother on my Surface Pro 2, which is only running a second-gen Core i5 with 4GB RAM.
That's easy. Most of that stuff isn't installed but it will run you through an install process if you click on the tile. That means all you have to do is delete the tiles and you'll never have to worry about those things again. It takes about two minutes. The only ones that may require an actual uninstall are some of the Microsoft things, like the Solitaire collection but you can do that from Start anyway, so what I do is instead of choosing "Remove tile" (or whatever it says) from the right-click menu, I choose "Uninstall" for everything. It still only takes a couple of minutes.
I used to do all the rubbish The Noodlist mentioned when I had a single core Pentium CPU, 256MB of RAM and a 10GB HDD but these days it is all completely unnecessary. Windows 10 already uses one-third fewer system resources than Win7 (half that of XP) and with a modern CPU you really won't notice any difference. I'd make the effort on my Atom powered 8" tablet, if I ever wanted to use it for music production, but on my 17" hexa-core i7 laptop it would be a complete waste of my time. I wouldn't even bother on my Surface Pro 2, which is only running a second-gen Core i5 with 4GB RAM.
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- KVRist
- 126 posts since 13 Aug, 2017 from Gothenburg
The only "optimization" that had any effect for me was setting the processor scheduling to "Background services". I could push my buffer setting lower without any crackling.
It's not a bad idea to look through what your DAW and Audio Interface provider recommends:
https://support.focusrite.com/hc/en-gb/ ... Windows-10
https://support.presonus.com/hc/en-us/a ... Windows-10
https://help.uaudio.com/hc/en-us/articl ... l-Settings
It's not a bad idea to look through what your DAW and Audio Interface provider recommends:
https://support.focusrite.com/hc/en-gb/ ... Windows-10
https://support.presonus.com/hc/en-us/a ... Windows-10
https://help.uaudio.com/hc/en-us/articl ... l-Settings
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- KVRist
- 125 posts since 14 Sep, 2019
Nope, I dont bother. Everything works fine here.