Could you possibly explain how to reproduce this????? I use Echoboy quite often and I don't understand.jbarish wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 2:02 am I own all the SoundToys plugs. I love how they sound except that they do alias quite a bit because they have no oversampling Oversampling is one way to deal with aliasing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aliasing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic4bVbXfdW4
Soundtoys 6 - What would you like to see?
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- KVRAF
- 1858 posts since 26 Nov, 2018
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- KVRian
- 1181 posts since 27 May, 2008
Alias Smith & Jones
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- KVRAF
- 4205 posts since 21 Oct, 2001 from my bolthole in the south pacific
Do you have confirmation from Soundtoys that oversampling is not used in their products? I very much doubt that that is correct. Distortion/dynamics processors typically use oversampling internally.
- KVRAF
- 23549 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
It's true - I have a few (analog) hardware amps that also have no oversampling and they alias in a similar way!
"Preamps have literally one job: when you turn up the gain, it gets louder." Jamcat, talking about presmp-emulation plugins.
- KVRAF
- 3471 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from A Swede Living in Budapest
A compressor in the rack would be fantastic. But highest on the list is larger UIs.
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HARDWARE SAMPLER FANATIC - Akai S1100/S950/Z8 - Casio FZ20m - Emu Emax I - Ensoniq ASR10/EPS
HARDWARE SAMPLER FANATIC - Akai S1100/S950/Z8 - Casio FZ20m - Emu Emax I - Ensoniq ASR10/EPS
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- KVRAF
- 4205 posts since 21 Oct, 2001 from my bolthole in the south pacific
Tell me about it! Marshalls are a total bitch in that way. They have all these aliases now like Park and Freidman and Bogner and Fargen ... it just goes on and on.
- KVRAF
- 2261 posts since 16 May, 2004 from Soviet Union
Very old request though:
Many parameters can't be automated, mostly in advanced (tweak) panels, but in FilterFreak it's also main envelope section (not in tweak panel). Similar situation in Echoboy, etc
Would be good improve this.
Many parameters can't be automated, mostly in advanced (tweak) panels, but in FilterFreak it's also main envelope section (not in tweak panel). Similar situation in Echoboy, etc
Would be good improve this.
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- Banned
- 480 posts since 28 Apr, 2017
If you doubt me, simply ask them. They don't use oversampling or any other method to counter their plugs aliasing.
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- KVRAF
- 1655 posts since 18 Feb, 2012
All Soundtoys plugins which can saturate alias, even Echoboy when using heavy saturation and Decapitator is king at it. Thats why I would also like to see oversampling implemented in v6. When soundtoys was released like 10-15 year ago, cpus were much slower so all plugins from that era by default have no oversampling. Otherwise, Soundtoys stood the test of time, excellent plugins but its time to catch up with 2019/2020.
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- KVRAF
- 4205 posts since 21 Oct, 2001 from my bolthole in the south pacific
And you know this, how?jbarish wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:02 pmIf you doubt me, simply ask them. They don't use oversampling or any other method to counter their plugs aliasing.
Here's Eric Klein who now directs Yamaha Guitar group and has overseen the development of the Helix products at Line6. As he makes clear, oversampling (like 16x) is critical for some processes - distortion generators like tube amplifiers - and wasted cycles for others.
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- KVRAF
- 2677 posts since 20 Jun, 2012
I'd like them to be start being more like Waves and add something like Waves Update Plan. So I guess it would be called SUP.
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- Banned
- 480 posts since 28 Apr, 2017
I know the SoundToys plugs alias because I have ears. If you don't hear aliasing when you use them, then good on you. Enjoy. I have no interest in trying to prove the existence of aliasing to anyone.
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- KVRAF
- 4205 posts since 21 Oct, 2001 from my bolthole in the south pacific
I never said there was no aliasing. I was just curious as to your knowledge or guesswork wrt the lack of oversampling. My first thought was Decapitator - surely a saturation plugin which supports 192 kHz would employ oversampling at 44.1/48 kHz. People like Aleksey Vaneev of Voxengo and the PSP guys do so in their plugins.
Seems like Decapitator has pretty bad aliasing at 44.1 kHz (at the time of publication of this article, at least)
Seems like Decapitator has pretty bad aliasing at 44.1 kHz (at the time of publication of this article, at least)
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- KVRian
- 1141 posts since 16 May, 2007 from At home. Good bye city ways!
I would abbreviate SoundToys as ST. So that would make the plan STUP. And in order to renew it, you’ll need your STUP-ID. Luckily, prices at retailers are lower than direct.robotmonkey wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:44 am I'd like them to be start being more like Waves and add something like Waves Update Plan. So I guess it would be called SUP.
..off to play with my music toys - library music production.
http://www.FiveMinuteHippo.com
http://www.FiveMinuteHippo.com
- KVRAF
- 6982 posts since 28 Dec, 2015 from Atlantis Island
„I was wondering what other users would like to see?“
A bundle price of 100$ for new customers.
A bundle price of 100$ for new customers.
https://sonograyn.bandcamp.com/music Experimental Ambient
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https://martinjuenke.bandcamp.com/music Alternative Instrumental