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pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:23 pm

xbitz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:40 pm the problem that currently Waveform contains/gets those features which ones I would like to see in BWS

The problem with Waveform... at least on the Mac... it is crash city.

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:36 pm

^^^ yepp but at least the last version got a crash protection system which can reload the project pretty much exactly where you were (and finally has groups too, and can MIDI stretch clips, can groove quantize clips, has chord track has ghost clips, retrospective record etc. etc. )

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:45 pm

To each their own... I will not use unreliable software that crashes constantly...

Tj Shredder · Post by **Tj Shredder** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:51 pm

The problem with most other host is, that a plug-in can crash it. Not so with Bitwig, and crash recovery is also there in case it happens...

jonljacobi · Post by **jonljacobi** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 3:38 pm

I had issues with one plugin, Jamstix 3, but smooth sailing since I ditched it, and setting the program to run as low rez.

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:40 pm

^^^ simple tried to draw automation (add a point to it) to a modulated a macro control and it says goodbye

and no crash protection can help here ... game over man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X8bKA9Cg9k

seems Waveform has been created for non-modulated users ... in BWS at least the unified-modulation system is rock solid ( FL Studio has a better workflow, Bitwig has better modulation framework )

Winstontaneous · Post by **Winstontaneous** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:59 pm

Tj Shredder wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:51 pm The problem with most other host is, that a plug-in can crash it. Not so with Bitwig, and crash recovery is also there in case it happens...

One of the reasons I left Bitwig 1.x was that in spite of this claim and the plugin sandboxing, plugins could trigger a total freeze needing force-quit, which is effectively the same as a crash in my book (and may not trigger a meaningful OS error report like an actual poof crash does). Maybe things are better in Bitwig Mac-land in v3?

Tj Shredder · Post by **Tj Shredder** » Sat Jul 20, 2019 10:03 pm

Much better... And as the devs claim the Mac support is harder than Win/Linux it should be even much much better for all...

jonljacobi · Post by **jonljacobi** » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:29 am

Waveform. I've yet to have a crash on the PC, but the Mac, yes.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:41 am

Winstontaneous wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:59 pm
Tj Shredder wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2019 2:51 pm The problem with most other host is, that a plug-in can crash it. Not so with Bitwig, and crash recovery is also there in case it happens...
One of the reasons I left Bitwig 1.x was that in spite of this claim and the plugin sandboxing, plugins could trigger a total freeze needing force-quit, which is effectively the same as a crash in my book (and may not trigger a meaningful OS error report like an actual poof crash does). Maybe things are better in Bitwig Mac-land in v3?

I have not had a Bitwig crash in more than a year. Bitwig is the most stable DAW I have used.

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Sun Jul 21, 2019 9:32 am

Same here, rock solid for me (win 10), I never even think about it.

jonljacobi · Post by **jonljacobi** » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:46 pm

It’s been a very long time since I’ve seen Bitwig crash and it never crashed often to begin with. I think since PortAudio, I haven’t seen one, though they do list them in release notes.

mholloway · Post by **mholloway** » Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:25 pm

apoclypse wrote: ↑Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:52 am I own Bitwig. I really do like it but no way does it deserver a 10 out of 10. Personally there are too many weird issues with eh UI, too many inconsistencies, and just plain missing features. So imo the "review" was either a paid for ad, or the reviewer never bothered to actually use the software to make music. Probably played around with Grid and called it a day. But then again its MusicTech and in general they are crap.

Every single article on MusicTech Review is a paid for ad. Have people really not figured this out yet?

tooneba · Post by **tooneba** » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:09 am

They need another review category. Non-paid Review.

jonljacobi · Post by **jonljacobi** » Mon Jul 22, 2019 4:46 am

It’s nicely written, but it’s not a review. I won’t go so far as to say it’s a shill piece, but it sure reads like one.

Bitwig Studio 3 gets 10 out of 10 from MusicTech Review