Which DAW for sketching out ideas fast (and easy)
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- KVRAF
- 1858 posts since 26 Nov, 2018
edit, screwed that up.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2289 posts since 18 Apr, 2001 from The Netherlands
UPDATE
Live Lite is out. If I want to put an arpeggiator or similar plugin before an instrument I have to sacrifice an additional track for that. That's crazy. Any respectable DAW has done away with such workflows around a decade ago or so.
The jury is still out on Orion because it is fun to play around with it again (and making music should be fun, right). But I already ran into the problem that made me move away from Orion back then; it is cumbersome if you have a sequence setup on a specific instrument to exchange the instrument with another as patterns are part of the specific instance of an instrument. Also, when I close Orion, it kills the connection to my Komplete Kontrol keyboard and I need to reboot the machine to get it back. Well, that's the problem of no longer supported software of course.
In the meantime I have been working on a pattern-based workflow in reaper and that seems to get me somewhere, so I do have some idea where this is going
Live Lite is out. If I want to put an arpeggiator or similar plugin before an instrument I have to sacrifice an additional track for that. That's crazy. Any respectable DAW has done away with such workflows around a decade ago or so.
The jury is still out on Orion because it is fun to play around with it again (and making music should be fun, right). But I already ran into the problem that made me move away from Orion back then; it is cumbersome if you have a sequence setup on a specific instrument to exchange the instrument with another as patterns are part of the specific instance of an instrument. Also, when I close Orion, it kills the connection to my Komplete Kontrol keyboard and I need to reboot the machine to get it back. Well, that's the problem of no longer supported software of course.
In the meantime I have been working on a pattern-based workflow in reaper and that seems to get me somewhere, so I do have some idea where this is going
CrimsonWarlock aka TechnoGremlin, using Reaper and a fine selection of freeware plugins.
Ragnarök VST-synthesizer co-creator with Full Bucket
Ragnarök VST-synthesizer co-creator with Full Bucket
- Beware the Quoth
- 33177 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
No you dont. Not for Live's Arpeggiator device, not for 3rd party plugins. You put the arp and the plugin in an Instrument Rack.crimsonwarlock wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 10:29 am UPDATE
Live Lite is out. If I want to put an arpeggiator or similar plugin before an instrument I have to sacrifice an additional track for that.
Any respectable DAW user properly finds out what a DAW can do before they start going on about alleged problems with its workflow.Any respectable DAW has done away with such workflows around a decade ago or so.
my other modular synth is a bugbrand
- GRRRRRRR!
- 15964 posts since 14 Jun, 2001 from Somewhere else, on principle
Add the instrument you want to swap to, then go to the instrument you want to swap from in the Playlist, right-click on it and select "Clone track to" and then select the new instrument. This will copy all the patterns, arrangement and mixer settings to the new synth in one go. If you just want to copy/paste the patterns, select the first instrument, press CTRL+SHIFT+C to copy all the patterns, then select the other instrument and press CTRL+V.crimsonwarlock wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 10:29 amit is cumbersome if you have a sequence setup on a specific instrument to exchange the instrument with another as patterns are part of the specific instance of an instrument.
Have you selected it in "Options|MIDI In settings". If you select it and it's highlighted, Orion will remember it next time. Or is it killing the connection to the PC itself? It's never done that to me with my Maschine Mikro.Also, when I close Orion, it kills the connection to my Komplete Kontrol keyboard and I need to reboot the machine to get it back. Well, that's the problem of no longer supported software of course.
The pattern-based workflow in Orion was never a big drawcard for me and I am really loving the way I can work in Cubase. I can play around with a riff or a loop, then push it down the timeline and play with something else, then push it out of the way or move to an empty spot and try another thing. I can glue bits together, cut bits apart, easily transpose, experiment with keys and chords, etc. It actually feels so much freer than Orion or even Bitwig. There are aspects I am less thrilled with but the playing around/experimenting thing is really good. Peter, maybe you should have a look at one of the lesser versions of Cubase? I can point you to a couple of good video tutorials to get you started.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2289 posts since 18 Apr, 2001 from The Netherlands
Ah, didn't know that, I was still thinking the old way of rerouting the pattern to another track.BONES wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 1:31 pm Add the instrument you want to swap to, then go to the instrument you want to swap from in the Playlist, right-click on it and select "Clone track to" and then select the new instrument. This will copy all the patterns, arrangement and mixer settings to the new synth in one go. If you just want to copy/paste the patterns, select the first instrument, press CTRL+SHIFT+C to copy all the patterns, then select the other instrument and press CTRL+V.
Yep, after closing Orion, no other DAW including Maschine/Komplete Kontrol kan access the keyboard.
This could very well be related to my setup though, as I have a lot of MIDI-over-USB stuff connected and Windows 10 still hasn't fixed the whole 'IRQ going bonkers' thing
That is pretty much the route I'm taking now with reaper, including a bunch of custom actions to make it all a very fluid workflow. I now have a button on the keyboard assigned that creates a new midi-clip on the timeline, sets it up completely for recording and handles all the time-selection and looping stuf for that clip. I can hit record (on the keyboard as well) and play until I have what I want and when I stop recording another custom action cleans up everything and saves it. I can now add ideas to the timeline as long as I want without even looking once at my computer screenBONES wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 1:31 pm I am really loving the way I can work in Cubase. I can play around with a riff or a loop, then push it down the timeline and play with something else, then push it out of the way or move to an empty spot and try another thing. I can glue bits together, cut bits apart, easily transpose, experiment with keys and chords, etc. It actually feels so much freer than Orion or even Bitwig.
CrimsonWarlock aka TechnoGremlin, using Reaper and a fine selection of freeware plugins.
Ragnarök VST-synthesizer co-creator with Full Bucket
Ragnarök VST-synthesizer co-creator with Full Bucket
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- KVRian
- 729 posts since 3 May, 2018
^ There's definitely things I'll miss from Reaper when in Cubase, but I have the best of both worlds now, just prefer to stick with 1 DAW for the majority.
Have you tried Vital?
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2289 posts since 18 Apr, 2001 from The Netherlands
Absolutely agree, same here. But 'majority' implies there is always a minority as well
Sometimes playing around with other DAWs can be stimulating and even bring you ideas for how to do things in your 'main' DAW.
CrimsonWarlock aka TechnoGremlin, using Reaper and a fine selection of freeware plugins.
Ragnarök VST-synthesizer co-creator with Full Bucket
Ragnarök VST-synthesizer co-creator with Full Bucket
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- KVRist
- 49 posts since 7 Dec, 2007
Could you kindly share the details on how you accomplished this, so that I might do something similar?crimsonwarlock wrote: ↑Mon May 27, 2019 5:00 am That is pretty much the route I'm taking now with reaper, including a bunch of custom actions to make it all a very fluid workflow. I now have a button on the keyboard assigned that creates a new midi-clip on the timeline, sets it up completely for recording and handles all the time-selection and looping stuf for that clip. I can hit record (on the keyboard as well) and play until I have what I want and when I stop recording another custom action cleans up everything and saves it. I can now add ideas to the timeline as long as I want without even looking once at my computer screen
Thanks
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2289 posts since 18 Apr, 2001 from The Netherlands
Will do. I'm currently away from the studio for a couple of days but I'll do a write-up this weekend.MusicMayor wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 10:08 pm Could you kindly share the details on how you accomplished this, so that I might do something similar?
Thanks
CrimsonWarlock aka TechnoGremlin, using Reaper and a fine selection of freeware plugins.
Ragnarök VST-synthesizer co-creator with Full Bucket
Ragnarök VST-synthesizer co-creator with Full Bucket
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- addled muppet weed
- 105878 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2289 posts since 18 Apr, 2001 from The Netherlands
CrimsonWarlock aka TechnoGremlin, using Reaper and a fine selection of freeware plugins.
Ragnarök VST-synthesizer co-creator with Full Bucket
Ragnarök VST-synthesizer co-creator with Full Bucket
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- KVRist
- 49 posts since 7 Dec, 2007
Looking forward to your write-up!crimsonwarlock wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 3:27 pmWill do. I'm currently away from the studio for a couple of days but I'll do a write-up this weekend.MusicMayor wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 10:08 pm Could you kindly share the details on how you accomplished this, so that I might do something similar?
Thanks
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2289 posts since 18 Apr, 2001 from The Netherlands
I didn't forget, just didn't make it into the studio last weekendMusicMayor wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:32 pmLooking forward to your write-up!crimsonwarlock wrote: ↑Wed May 29, 2019 3:27 pmWill do. I'm currently away from the studio for a couple of days but I'll do a write-up this weekend.MusicMayor wrote: ↑Tue May 28, 2019 10:08 pm Could you kindly share the details on how you accomplished this, so that I might do something similar?
Thanks
CrimsonWarlock aka TechnoGremlin, using Reaper and a fine selection of freeware plugins.
Ragnarök VST-synthesizer co-creator with Full Bucket
Ragnarök VST-synthesizer co-creator with Full Bucket