What DAW Do You Hate?

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What DAW Do You Hate?

Poll ended at Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:16 am

Ableton Live
35
6%
Acoustica Mixcraft Pro Studio
2
0%
Apple GarageBand
24
4%
Apple Logic Pro
42
7%
Ardour
10
2%
Avid Pro Tools
53
9%
BandLab Sonar
12
2%
Bitwig Studio
17
3%
Cockos Reaper
62
11%
Harrison Mixbus
9
2%
Image-Line FL Studio
39
7%
Magix Acid Pro
2
0%
Magix Samplitude Pro X
10
2%
MOTU Digital Performer
4
1%
MuTools MuLab
2
0%
PreSonus Studio One
12
2%
Propellerhead Software Reason
15
3%
Renoise
3
1%
Steinberg Cubase
25
4%
Steinberg Nuendo
3
1%
Tracktion Software Waveform
10
2%
Hate is a negative emotion I don't give into
171
30%
 
Total votes: 562

felis
KVRian
580 posts since 25 Jul, 2009

Post Sat May 18, 2019 4:50 am

double

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vurt
addled muppet weed
55012 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Sat May 18, 2019 11:16 am

gee willickers!

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ChamomileShark
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1680 posts since 12 May, 2004 from Oxford, UK

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Wed May 22, 2019 1:10 am

isn't the outcome just a reflection of the market share of the DAWs? The say 10-15% of people are unsatisfied and that gives you the numbers above?

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MuzikFreq
KVRist
78 posts since 29 Apr, 2019

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Wed May 22, 2019 4:00 pm

FL studio... Poor controller compatibility and the mixer linking is irritating af

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jancivil
KVRAF
19263 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from No Location

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Wed May 22, 2019 4:48 pm

reaper with 250% of cubase's market share?
alrighty then

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ChamomileShark
KVRAF
1680 posts since 12 May, 2004 from Oxford, UK

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Thu May 23, 2019 12:49 am

jancivil wrote:
Wed May 22, 2019 4:48 pm
reaper with 250% of cubase's market share?
alrighty then
Would that be a surprise that more people have tried Reaper than Cubase?

It was just a guess and unfortunately there isn't any proper market share data I can find. But I did find this - it appears to be based on people's primary DAWs for October 2017.

Above: Ask.Audio Survey results from over 30,611 respondents.

Ableton Live - 20.52%
Logic Pro - 19.20%
Pro Tools - 16.13%
Cubase - 10.43%
FL Studio - 6.40%
Studio One - 5.71%
Reason - 4.98%
Reaper - 4.96%
Other - 4.28%
Sonar - 3.01%
GarageBand - 2.22%
Bitwig Studio - 1.22%
Digital Perfomer - 0.94%

It fails to prove my point but you would think the more a DAW has been tried by people the more people will dislike it. Perhaps people started with Reaper and moved on?

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crimsonwarlock
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2288 posts since 18 Apr, 2001 from The Netherlands

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Thu May 23, 2019 2:24 am

ChamomileShark wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 12:49 am
Perhaps people started with Reaper and moved on?
People who actually START with reaper (work with it for an extended period as opposed to clicking around for a day or two) don't 'move on' :D

Funny that when you look at interviews with audio professionals (as in 'it's my day job' professionals), Reaper pops up more and more as their weapon of choice. I still have to see an interview where someone states he/she has worked with reaper for a long time but now 'moved on' to another daw :P
CrimsonWarlock aka TechnoGremlin, using Reaper and a fine selection of freeware plugins.

Ragnarök VST-synthesizer co-creator with Full Bucket

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MuzikFreq
KVRist
78 posts since 29 Apr, 2019

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Thu May 23, 2019 3:05 am

crimsonwarlock wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 2:24 am
ChamomileShark wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 12:49 am
Perhaps people started with Reaper and moved on?
People who actually START with reaper (work with it for an extended period as opposed to clicking around for a day or two) don't 'move on' :D

Funny that when you look at interviews with audio professionals (as in 'it's my day job' professionals), Reaper pops up more and more as their weapon of choice. I still have to see an interview where someone states he/she has worked with reaper for a long time but now 'moved on' to another daw :P
I moved on but it was mainly the headache of the routing that more annoyed me. Couldn't route the compressor at all even following guides.
That and the piano roll is .... :hihi: just hope you don't need to use it for anything.

Now I will give it this, if you use a ton of virtual synths, it is the best DAW for hosting since it runs them through unicorn tears and magical black holes to get that low cpu usage.


EDIT: Decided to open Reaper just to mess around... Correction, the piano roll isn't all that bad, though still a little fiddly.
Might actually be a great alternative for trance :party:
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Kongru
KVRian
718 posts since 23 Feb, 2017

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Thu May 23, 2019 3:08 am

crimsonwarlock wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 2:24 am
ChamomileShark wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 12:49 am
Perhaps people started with Reaper and moved on?
People who actually START with reaper (work with it for an extended period as opposed to clicking around for a day or two) don't 'move on' :D

Funny that when you look at interviews with audio professionals (as in 'it's my day job' professionals), Reaper pops up more and more as their weapon of choice. I still have to see an interview where someone states he/she has worked with reaper for a long time but now 'moved on' to another daw :P
Does 6 months count as an extended period? 'Cause I 'moved on'
Signatures are so early 2000s.

jinotsuh
KVRist
362 posts since 31 May, 2008 from Australia

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Thu May 23, 2019 3:10 am

crimsonwarlock wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 2:24 am

People who actually START with reaper (work with it for an extended period as opposed to clicking around for a day or two) don't 'move on' :D
hmmmm, while I never started with REAPER, I started using it in 2007/2008, in September 2015 I tried out Studio One 3 Pro, haven't looked back since. I still keep REAPER updated, and will renew when my license expires on the release of v6, but I never really use it, and can't see me wanting to use in the foreseeable future. I personally know quite a number of people who have switched from REAPER to other DAW's, and even more who have zero interest in REAPER after putting it through it's paces (yes, more than just clicking around for a day or 2) Some people like vanilla, some prefer chocolate, who really cares, as long as you are happy with what you use and it does everything you need it to do to your satisfaction, who gives a rats about what others use or think. (Well . . . except for Cakewalk, there's a certain Psychosis at play there with those who use it, all 27 of them, but that's another story ) :wink:

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MuzikFreq
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78 posts since 29 Apr, 2019

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Thu May 23, 2019 4:18 am

jinotsuh wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 3:10 am
crimsonwarlock wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 2:24 am

People who actually START with reaper (work with it for an extended period as opposed to clicking around for a day or two) don't 'move on' :D
hmmmm, while I never started with REAPER, I started using it in 2007/2008, in September 2015 I tried out Studio One 3 Pro, haven't looked back since. I still keep REAPER updated, and will renew when my license expires on the release of v6, but I never really use it, and can't see me wanting to use in the foreseeable future. I personally know quite a number of people who have switched from REAPER to other DAW's, and even more who have zero interest in REAPER after putting it through it's paces (yes, more than just clicking around for a day or 2) Some people like vanilla, some prefer chocolate, who really cares, as long as you are happy with what you use and it does everything you need it to do to your satisfaction, who gives a rats about what others use or think. (Well . . . except for Cakewalk, there's a certain Psychosis at play there with those who use it, all 27 of them, but that's another story ) :wink:
LMAO that last bit. Totally agree

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crimsonwarlock
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2288 posts since 18 Apr, 2001 from The Netherlands

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Thu May 23, 2019 9:09 pm

MuzikFreq wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 3:05 am
I moved on but it was mainly the headache of the routing that more annoyed me. Couldn't route the compressor at all even following guides
Funny that, because it is pretty much an accepted fact that reaper is superiour to everything else on the market in regard of its routing capabilities. It is the most stated reason for choosing reaper among the professionals that use it.
Kongru wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 3:08 am
Does 6 months count as an extended period? 'Cause I 'moved on'
That depends largely on what you did with it during those six months :D
jinotsuh wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 3:10 am
... and even more who have zero interest in REAPER after putting it through it's paces (yes, more than just clicking around for a day or 2)
Putting it through its paces is not 'working with it'. When you work long enough with any DAW to become fluid in using it, there has to be a serious reason to move away from it. I will even say that people that are DAW-hopping every few months or even years, are not really doing serious stuff at the level where you have to get deeply involved with the functionality of your tools. And throwing notes and chords into a MIDI editor and slapping a bunch of compressors on it is definitely not 'serious use of functionality' :D

So I still have to see someone who has invested a serious period (meaning years) in using reaper and building/tuning the workflow, who then moved to another DAW, because from the perspective if deep functionality there is absolutely nothing that comes close to reaper.

I just found that in Ableton you need a second track just to put an arpeggiator in front of a virtual instrument which completely blew my mind, and not in a possitive way.
CrimsonWarlock aka TechnoGremlin, using Reaper and a fine selection of freeware plugins.

Ragnarök VST-synthesizer co-creator with Full Bucket

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MuzikFreq
KVRist
78 posts since 29 Apr, 2019

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Thu May 23, 2019 9:11 pm

crimsonwarlock wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 9:09 pm
MuzikFreq wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 3:05 am
I moved on but it was mainly the headache of the routing that more annoyed me. Couldn't route the compressor at all even following guides
Funny that, because it is pretty much an accepted fact that reaper is superiour to everything else on the market in regard of its routing capabilities. It is the most stated reason for choosing reaper among the professionals that use it.
Kongru wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 3:08 am
Does 6 months count as an extended period? 'Cause I 'moved on'
That depends largely on what you did with it during those six months :D
jinotsuh wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 3:10 am
... and even more who have zero interest in REAPER after putting it through it's paces (yes, more than just clicking around for a day or 2)
Putting it through its paces is not 'working with it'. When you work long enough with any DAW to become fluid in using it, there has to be a serious reason to move away from it. I will even say that people that are DAW-hopping every few months or even years, are not really doing serious stuff at the level where you have to get deeply involved with the functionality of your tools. And throwing notes and chords into a MIDI editor and slapping a bunch of compressors on it is definitely not 'serious use of functionality' :D

So I still have to see someone who has invested a serious period (meaning years) in using reaper and building/tuning the workflow, who then moved to another DAW, because from the perspective if deep functionality there is absolutely nothing that comes close to reaper.

I just found that in Ableton you need a second track just to put an arpeggiator in front of a virtual instrument which completely blew my mind, and not in a possitive way.
I'll admit. I know I am wrong and that it's really good with it but wrapping my head around how to do it is another story. :lol: I'm a simpleton.

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crimsonwarlock
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2288 posts since 18 Apr, 2001 from The Netherlands

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Thu May 23, 2019 9:29 pm

MuzikFreq wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 9:11 pm
I'll admit. I know I am wrong and that it's really good with it but wrapping my head around how to do it is another story. :lol: I'm a simpleton.
I totally agree that, because of the deep functionality reaper can be daunting to get into. It certainly takes (a lot of) time and effort. However, for me, the 'simpler' DAWs don't work because they get in my way when I try to do things they simply can't do or only in some idiotic or ancient way.... like the Ableton thing. It's the main reason I moved away from Orion (which I still regard as a great virtual studio) back then because the things it could not or barely do, started to stack up quite fast the longer I worked with it.
CrimsonWarlock aka TechnoGremlin, using Reaper and a fine selection of freeware plugins.

Ragnarök VST-synthesizer co-creator with Full Bucket

jinotsuh
KVRist
362 posts since 31 May, 2008 from Australia

Re: What DAW Do You Hate?

Post Thu May 23, 2019 10:18 pm

2007/2008 to 2015, 7 or 8 years, yeah I guess your right, I never gave it enough time :D

The only opinion some people will accept is REAPER is the best, that's fine, it's also fine that I don't agree with that, whatever.

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