Why Can't We Get A CS-80 VST That Actually Sounds Like a CS-80?

[Julien Unison]

With what we have, we can get very close.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbWNZkoQHuE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNluY8HURIc

The mastering, reverbs, mixing etc... are not exactly the same, but you can feel it's possible to get really deeply in the Blade Runner sound area.

[wagtunes]

just struck me that if you want as exact as possible you would need to pay him to sample the shit out him playing his gear and make a sample based instrument.

No. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Go listen to The Legend and then go listen to a Minimoog.

And to the poster above. No. Wrong, wrong, wrong. No amount of programming is going to get these emulations to sound like an actual CS-80.

[wagtunes]

With what we have, we can get very close.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbWNZkoQHuE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNluY8HURIc

The mastering, reverbs, mixing etc... are not exactly the same, but you can feel it's possible to get really deeply in the Blade Runner sound area.

The relative flavor is there but that does NOT sound like a CS-80.

Thanks for playing.

[BBFG#]

Bottom line... The greater majority of players don't need one. The current ones will do.
And there's a very good chance that if you bought one just to fill your personal taste, it would somehow fall just as short.

[wagtunes]

Bottom line... The greater majority of players don't need one. The current ones will do for them.
And there's a very good chance that if you bought one just to fill your personal taste, it would somehow fall just as short.

Oh? Really? Let's see.

Bought Polymoog emulation (XILS PolyM). LOVE it! They hit that one out of the park. I cannot tell the difference.

Bought Minimoog emulation (The Legend) LOVE it! Also, a home run, unlike Arturia's which just sucks on all levels.

Bought Melotron emulation (GForce M-Tron Pro) LOVE it! Another amazing emulation.

So why would I be disappointed if somebody actually came out with a CS-80 emulation that ACTUALLY sounds like a CS-80?

[Dasheesh]

also, lush 101 has a good starting point. i'd bet you could get real close with lush.

[wagtunes]

also, lush 101 has a good starting point. i'd bet you could get real close with lush.

Dasheesh, please, stop talking. I own Lush 101. It sounds NOTHING like a CS-80. Please. You're just sounding silly now.

[wagtunes]

First of all, for ANY emulation to even have a snowball's chance in hell of sounding like a CS-80, it would need to have a ribbon controller AND polyphonic aftertouch.

[wagtunes]

Oh, and of course the Synclavier V. What an amazing job Arturia did on that, which surprised and shocked the shit out of me. Of course they had a lot of help with that one.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I never thought the Bladerunner soundtrack is so special, for example.

Do you also dislike chocolate?...Sex?

Either way, it was not the CS80 that made that soundtrack special, it was the composer

[wagtunes]

I never thought the Bladerunner soundtrack is so special, for example.

Do you also dislike chocolate?...Sex?

Either way, it was not the CS80 that made that soundtrack special, it was the composer

Yes and no. Played on a regular grand piano, which would have sounded nice enough, it would have not been nearly the same.

[JoeCat]

When I was a kid I wanted one, just 'cause it was huge and had tons of knobs and buttons (wtf did I know). I have the Arturia and play around with it sometimes just so I can pretend (I'm tempted to purchase a Korg Odyssey to fulfill that wacky nostalgia; please don't judge )

I can't tell from jack whether a CS-80 emulation is accurate (I don't trust just listening to artists using it because there are other effects, etc.), but I'm people familiar with it are more tuned in. I'd purchase an decent emulation just to "pretend" (and maybe lift my couch so my back muscles could pretend along with me!)

[ew]

So why can't SOMEBODY finally do this right?



Discuss.

Why, none sound as good as the one in your studio?
(have you ever played one?)

I actually owned the model without aftertouch (CS-60) and even THAT sounds better than the emulations.

That aside, nothing comes close to Vangelis' recordings. The emulations are laughable.

Ah - a CS-60 *does* have aftertouch. What it doesn't have is the two layers. I've owned a 60 for thirty five years or thereabouts; it's living at someone else's place at the moment, as I don't have room for it.

Is the Arturia a 1 for 1 emulaion of a CS-80? No. Can it get close enough 95% of the time? Yes.

ew

[wagtunes]

So why can't SOMEBODY finally do this right?



Discuss.

Why, none sound as good as the one in your studio?
(have you ever played one?)

I actually owned the model without aftertouch (CS-60) and even THAT sounds better than the emulations.

That aside, nothing comes close to Vangelis' recordings. The emulations are laughable.

Ah - a CS-60 *does* have aftertouch. What it doesn't have is the two layers. I've owned a 60 for thirty five years or thereabouts; it's living at someone else's place at the moment, as I don't have room for it.

Is the Arturia a 1 for 1 emulaion of a CS-80? No. Can it get close enough 95% of the time? Yes.

ew

Yeah, that's right. Well, it's been 30 years. But I still remember the sound. It had a very distinct sound, especially the filters. The Arturia is laughable. But then all their early filters were laughable.

Anyway, nobody seems to want to answer my question why we can't have a good emulation except for one person who essentially said nobody cares and is happy with what's available.

Maybe that's the truth. Maybe nobody really cares and maybe there's no market for a truly amazing CS-80 emulation.

Maybe that's the answer to my question and I can just go lock this thread because I don't need to hear people that we have synths that either sound better or can come close.

[BBFG#]

Bottom line... The greater majority of players don't need one. The current ones will do for them.
And there's a very good chance that if you bought one just to fill your personal taste, it would somehow fall just as short.

Oh? Really? Let's see.

Bought Polymoog emulation (XILS PolyM). LOVE it! They hit that one out of the park. I cannot tell the difference.

Bought Minimoog emulation (The Legend) LOVE it! Also, a home run, unlike Arturia's which just sucks on all levels.

Bought Melotron emulation (GForce M-Tron Pro) LOVE it! Another amazing emulation.

So why would I be disappointed if somebody actually came out with a CS-80 emulation that ACTUALLY sounds like a CS-80?

I didn't say you'd be disappointed with the emulation, but that there's a good chance you'd be just as disappointed with a real CS now. Because what you fail to realize is that you're dealing with a memory more than the instrument itself. Those others you say 'nailed' the emulation? Well, not everyone agrees with that either. Because what everyone remembers is not necessarily the actuality.