DUNE has 30 different filter types to choose from and because there are two filters, you can square that number, for 900 possible filter combinations. And that's before you take into account the multiple routing options. Diva has how many? 7?
No, Diva has a digital emulation of a SEM VCF. DUNE 3's dual filters would easily be able to recreate anything that filter model can do, plus a whole lot more. Diva's filters are all way too nice, I found it very limiting in the demo.To start, it has a real SEM SVF, which is one of the most versatile filters ever made (DUNE doesn't).
No, no, no, no no. DUNE has three different oscillator options - standard VA, 3-op FM (per oscillator) or wavetables. Personally, I only ever use the VA oscillators but the options are there if I ever feel I need them.Regarding the oscillators, DUNE is a wavetable synth
Again, no. You said it yourself - DUNE "can load thousands of waveforms (technically limitless number of waveforms...)". Emulated JP8000 oscillators aren't in the same league.it (DUNE) can load thousands of waveforms (technically limitless number of waveforms, since we can build our own wavetables). But if don't take that into account, as a pure VA synth, I don't think it has that much to offer that DIVA can't rival with. Actually, since DIVA also has the oscillators of JP-8000, it eventually has more variety than DUNE in that aspect too.
DUNE has 4 x MSEGs, so you aren't restricted to what technology was capable of 50 years ago, you can do pretty much anything you can imagine. It is infinitely more versatile than a handful of emulated envelope behaviours. If you doubt me, have a listen to some of DUNE's kick drum presets. They are awesome.
My original response was to a comment suggesting that Diva was great because it was so flexible. I simply used DUNE as an example of a synth that is far more flexible and suggested if flexibility was what you were after, Diva was actually a poor choice. Simple, logical.Anyway, it's not only that! The sound character is different and workflow as well, just to put it mildly! So that I don't understand the comparison and what Bones wants to say! Dune is very much a Virus inspired especially in sound, while Diva is a flexible collection of vintage parts emulated.
Seriously? Every filter in every VA softsynth is a modelled filter. Just because it's not modelled after anything in particular, doesn't mean it isn't modelled on what an analogue filter does to a signal. " Analogue modelled is just a marketing term, not any special kind of programming. All those filters are likely just as complex to create. How is that not completely obvious to you?fmr wrote: ↑Fri Feb 22, 2019 2:00 pmDUNE doesn't have a SVF filter (emulated ot otherwise). And the only multimode filter it has is the so called "Clean Multimode" (which doesn't seem to model anything). The modeled filters are clearly labeled "Analog Models" and they are all Low-Pass filters. You also have a transistor ladder, but it's uncertain that it is modeled after the Moog filter, since it has much more pole alternatives (but again, just Low-Pass). Finally, you have the Sallen Key modeled filter, which is also a multimode filter in some way, but just 12 dB.
I'd also point out that there is no such thing as "just 12dB" when you have two filters that can be routed in series. I'll explain - a 12dB/octave filter is generally a 2-pole filter and a 24dB/octave filter is generally a 4-pole filter. So when you pass a signal through 2 x 2-pole filters, what do you get? You get a 4-pole filter, which is 24dB/octave.
Then you are ignorant of the capabilities of a set-up like DUNE's.So, I still maintain that, in terms of filters, DIVA offers more with less, IMO. Just the SVF makes it a winner.
No, what you are doing is taking a specific comment and turning it into a generalised comment, which is stupid.IMO, of course. We are comparing apples and oranges here.