Arrangement view in Ableton Live is a nightmare! Any tips?

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J-909
KVRist
239 posts since 19 Oct, 2016 from Madrid

Post Thu Feb 22, 2018 3:26 am

Guenon wrote:No problem man :)

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(The above is my interpretation of "Arrangement view in Ableton Live is a nigthmare!" :P :P The ugly motion blur is an in-DAW look too, haha, had a mishap when editing the theme file in a text editor and literally made a motion blur theme that is completely unusable)
Haha good stuff :tu:

(You could publish that artwork as: "How a Cubase user sees Live's arrangement" :lol: )

Kinh
KVRian
1176 posts since 26 Aug, 2012

Re: Arrangement view in Ableton Live is a nightmare! Any tips?

Post Thu Feb 22, 2018 4:55 am

Shit, Ableton is the best god-damn daw on the frick'n planet and anyone who says otherwise is a frick'n moron :lol:

tooneba
KVRian
1051 posts since 6 Nov, 2012

Re: Arrangement view in Ableton Live is a nightmare! Any tips?

Post Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:38 pm

Ableton Suite package has hidden device. It's named Cult.

kunda311
KVRer
1 posts since 23 Feb, 2019

Re: Arrangement view in Ableton Live is a nightmare! Any tips?

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:16 pm

Complaining that Live is "limited" is quite the ignorant statement.

Live can do virtually anything other DAWs can. Sure, some things it doesn't do better...

What Live does do better, though, it does so much better that it's not even funny.

On the other hand, people complaining that Live is limited and it's only good for electronic music, helps the rest of us who love Live. That way we are fewer & we stand a chance of doing something truly unique that way.

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Yorrrrrr
KVRian
721 posts since 25 Sep, 2011 from Cartagena - Colombia

Re: Arrangement view in Ableton Live is a nightmare! Any tips?

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:37 pm

Wow, huge necro..but I find arrangement workflow in Live amazing, especially now in beta 10.1

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Orbit-50
KVRAF
2236 posts since 29 Jun, 2005 from La La Land

Re: Arrangement view in Ableton Live is a nightmare! Any tips?

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:43 pm

There's three things that I hate in this world. Liver, grapefruit, and Ableton Lives arrangement view. The only way I can work with Live is with my Push 2 and the session view. After that, everything goes to Cubase 10. Takes me no more than 10 minutes in that arrangement view to want to put a hammer right through the freaking monitor screen.
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SoundPorn
KVRian
548 posts since 24 Jul, 2018

Re: Arrangement view in Ableton Live is a nightmare! Any tips?

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:47 pm

Abletons limitations become clear when you want to record vocals, there's no native pitch editing, no real vocal track comping and worse of all it doesn't have ARA2 support.

kunda311 wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 6:16 pm
Complaining that Live is "limited" is quite the ignorant statement.

Live can do virtually anything other DAWs can. Sure, some things it doesn't do better...

What Live does do better, though, it does so much better that it's not even funny.

On the other hand, people complaining that Live is limited and it's only good for electronic music, helps the rest of us who love Live. That way we are fewer & we stand a chance of doing something truly unique that way.

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Deep Purple
KVRian
758 posts since 9 Jan, 2015 from NY, NY

Re: Arrangement view in Ableton Live is a nightmare! Any tips?

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:07 pm

SoundPorn wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:47 pm
Abletons limitations become clear when you want to record vocals, there's no native pitch editing, no real vocal track comping
Those actually sound more like limitations of vocalists
Sweet child in time...

elassi
KVRAF
2143 posts since 8 Sep, 2009

Re: Arrangement view in Ableton Live is a nightmare! Any tips?

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:22 pm

Orbit-50 wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:43 pm
There's three things that I hate in this world. Liver, grapefruit, and Ableton Lives arrangement view. The only way I can work with Live is with my Push 2 and the session view. After that, everything goes to Cubase 10. Takes me no more than 10 minutes in that arrangement view to want to put a hammer right through the freaking monitor screen.
Haha, almost the same here (besides using Reaper/Harrison Mixbus for refinements/mixdown). Not 100% sure but afair there was only one track I've ever finished from A to Z in Live.

kmonkey
KVRAF
3977 posts since 17 Aug, 2004

Re: Arrangement view in Ableton Live is a nightmare! Any tips?

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:26 pm

Deep Purple wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:07 pm
SoundPorn wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:47 pm
Abletons limitations become clear when you want to record vocals, there's no native pitch editing, no real vocal track comping
Those actually sound more like limitations of vocalists
Hehehe that's good response.

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Orbit-50
KVRAF
2236 posts since 29 Jun, 2005 from La La Land

Re: Arrangement view in Ableton Live is a nightmare! Any tips?

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:32 pm

elassi wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:22 pm
Orbit-50 wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:43 pm
There's three things that I hate in this world. Liver, grapefruit, and Ableton Lives arrangement view. The only way I can work with Live is with my Push 2 and the session view. After that, everything goes to Cubase 10. Takes me no more than 10 minutes in that arrangement view to want to put a hammer right through the freaking monitor screen.
Haha, almost the same here (besides using Reaper/Harrison Mixbus for refinements/mixdown). Not 100% sure but afair there was only one track I've ever finished from A to Z in Live.
I've litteraly never finished anything in Live either. There are so many cool things about Live, so I'm not a Live hater, but I just can not use that Arrangement view at all.
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elassi
KVRAF
2143 posts since 8 Sep, 2009

Re: Arrangement view in Ableton Live is a nightmare! Any tips?

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:38 pm

Again, exactly my point of view. :tu:

Not being interested in DAW wars anyway. I leave that to the heated heads.

andypryce
KVRist
124 posts since 2 Nov, 2014

Re: Arrangement view in Ableton Live is a nightmare! Any tips?

Post Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:48 pm

Deep Purple wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:07 pm
SoundPorn wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:47 pm
Abletons limitations become clear when you want to record vocals, there's no native pitch editing, no real vocal track comping
Those actually sound more like limitations of vocalists
:) +1

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Yorrrrrr
KVRian
721 posts since 25 Sep, 2011 from Cartagena - Colombia

Re: Arrangement view in Ableton Live is a nightmare! Any tips?

Post Sat Feb 23, 2019 7:34 am

What exactly is wrong about the arrangement view? I don't understand :dog:
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Yorrrrrr
KVRian
721 posts since 25 Sep, 2011 from Cartagena - Colombia

Re: Arrangement view in Ableton Live is a nightmare! Any tips?

Post Sat Feb 23, 2019 8:59 am

Orbit-50 wrote:
Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:43 pm
There's three things that I hate in this world. Liver, grapefruit, and Ableton Lives arrangement view. The only way I can work with Live is with my Push 2 and the session view. After that, everything goes to Cubase 10. Takes me no more than 10 minutes in that arrangement view to want to put a hammer right through the freaking monitor screen.
Can't you record your performance with the Push 2 and session view into the arrangement view and then make the necessary edits there with the easy shortcuts and zooming features (especially in 10 and now 10.1)? I've found that's a great way to work in Live. What is so wrong about the arrangement view? I honestly don't get it :-?
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