Hive 2 is coming!

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PieBerger
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216 posts since 23 May, 2012 from London

Post Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:34 am

Very excited for the update, especially the new modulation sources; hello Seq/LFO/Maths/Performer poly sequences! Hive is my favourite synth and since the 1.2 update I'm using it almost exclusively (with a little bit of RePro here and there) in all of my tracks. It now covers a lot of the same sonic ground as Serum, but with a more streamlined and immediate workflow, for my needs anyway. I feel that it now has the power and flexibility (with more to come) of much more complex synths, without any of the baggage that usually comes with them i.e. excess clicking/tabbing.
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Urs
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23478 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin

Re: Hive 2 is coming!

Post Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:52 am

In my opinion (opinion!), there is not always a need for "scalpels" such as tediously editable automation curves. Often enough a little bit of "repeatable randomness" would have done the same job. Often, when I look at complex curves in screenshots and presets, I do not spot much "intention". I spot "a bit of this here, a bit of that there".

Hive 2.0 won't be a surgical tool in terms of complexity. But it will offer "repeatably evolving randomness", which in many, many cases will do the job just fine. Without the tediousness.

chk071
KVRAF
19407 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: Hive 2 is coming!

Post Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:54 am

5Lives wrote:
Tue Jan 22, 2019 2:48 pm
I also sold my Hive license right before the wavetable update.
Me too... interesting psychology. :)

Actually now with the wavetable update, and version 2 coming soon, i maybe should have kept it. Although i doubt i will really ever love it.

Ploki
KVRian
728 posts since 17 Dec, 2009

Re: Hive 2 is coming!

Post Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:59 am

Will Hive 2 be able to replace my existing Hive projects?
That would be so damn cool.

Hive is becoming my most used synth of all. I really really like it.

SteveWZ
KVRian
845 posts since 26 Feb, 2016

Re: Hive 2 is coming!

Post Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:02 am

Urs wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:52 am

Hive 2.0 won't be a surgical tool in terms of complexity. But it will offer "repeatably evolving randomness", which in many, many cases will do the job just fine. Without the tediousness.
..."repeatably evolving randomness", I have had days like that. :)

anoise
KVRist
175 posts since 1 Jul, 2009

Re: Hive 2 is coming!

Post Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:17 am

Will the unison get any updates, e.g. more than 16 voices/osc or a global unison?
Looking forward to Hive 2. :D

Ploki
KVRian
728 posts since 17 Dec, 2009

Re: Hive 2 is coming!

Post Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:23 am

More than 16 voices? You guys are wild

Elektronisch
KVRAF
2991 posts since 3 Feb, 2010

Re: Hive 2 is coming!

Post Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:31 am

Ploki wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:23 am
More than 16 voices? You guys are wild
I thought the same. I dont remember the case i actually really needed more then what virus has (wich is 9).

PieBerger
KVRist
216 posts since 23 May, 2012 from London

Re: Hive 2 is coming!

Post Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:32 am

anoise wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:17 am
Will the unison get any updates, e.g. more than 16 voices/osc or a global unison?
Looking forward to Hive 2. :D
Up to 16 voices/osc x 4 osc = max 64 unison voices, how many more do you need? :o
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chk071
KVRAF
19407 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany

Re: Hive 2 is coming!

Post Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:38 am

I never needed more than 16 voices on a synth, even with long pads. Talking about unsion on oscillator level, of course, otherwise 16 voices would really be too few.

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Urs
u-he
23478 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin

Re: Hive 2 is coming!

Post Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:39 am

Ploki wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:59 am
Will Hive 2 be able to replace my existing Hive projects?
Yes, it'll completely replace Hive 1.x

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antic604
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2198 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland

Re: Hive 2 is coming!

Post Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:41 am

PieBerger wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:32 am
Up to 16 voices/osc x 4 osc = max 64 unison voices, how many more do you need? :o
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Ploki
KVRian
728 posts since 17 Dec, 2009

Re: Hive 2 is coming!

Post Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:44 am

Urs wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:39 am
Ploki wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:59 am
Will Hive 2 be able to replace my existing Hive projects?
Yes, it'll completely replace Hive 1.x
Automatically? So i wont need to save presets for every Hive project, just update hive and Poof my projects will open?
Why don't all developers do this

kmonkey
KVRAF
4003 posts since 17 Aug, 2004

Re: Hive 2 is coming!

Post Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:51 am

Urs wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:39 am
Ploki wrote:
Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:59 am
Will Hive 2 be able to replace my existing Hive projects?
Yes, it'll completely replace Hive 1.x
Extremely exciting news about Hive 2. Looking forward to that.

Can i post a question.

1. When you say "Yes, it'll completely replace Hive 1.x" does it mean Hive 2 have same VST ID and i can simply uninstall Hive 1 and install Hive 2 and all my session will load nicely and synth sounds (created in Hive 1) will sound equally same in v2?

If that's the case then this is what i call compatibility done properly!

Or...

2. we need to install another .dll which will have different VST ID and presumably different .dll name and under compatibility you mean to say that we can load Hive 2 and load preset from Hive 1 and it will work same? We just have to replace all Hive 1 in our previously created sessions?

Kind regards

anoise
KVRist
175 posts since 1 Jul, 2009

Re: Hive 2 is coming!

Post Wed Jan 23, 2019 4:56 am

There was a discussion not long ago about the unison in Hive vs Virus.
viewtopic.php?p=7256920#p7256920

TL/DR:
Virus: 2 hypersaw oscillators with 9 voices x 8 (max) global unison = 144 max voices / note
Hive: 4 oscillators (with Sub Osc on "=") with 16 voices = 64 max voices / note

I'm fine with 16 (if I want more I have Viper), but as you can read in the post in the link it is not hard to implement. I was just curious what decisions were made regarding unison.
I suppose raising the osc unison from 16 to 32 would do no harm anyway (except cpu). :shrug:

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