I found a way to do feedback routings
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1262 posts since 15 May, 2002 from Finland
Something I came up with today:
As most have noticed, the Audio Receiver device does not allow an feedback routing. But, using instead a DC module with an audio rate modulator modulating it, this is allowed. So now endless loops of self-modulation are possible.
Here's the stock chorus turned into a flanger:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ikvu0dty3kurl ... reset?dl=0
And just something else for the heck of it:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wjvenvywp1fsn ... reset?dl=0
As most have noticed, the Audio Receiver device does not allow an feedback routing. But, using instead a DC module with an audio rate modulator modulating it, this is allowed. So now endless loops of self-modulation are possible.
Here's the stock chorus turned into a flanger:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ikvu0dty3kurl ... reset?dl=0
And just something else for the heck of it:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/wjvenvywp1fsn ... reset?dl=0
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- KVRian
- 818 posts since 18 Oct, 2014
Great idea!
Sadly this feedback loop has the same limitation as the delays (10ms min). Quantum computing now!
The presets are for the beta, i assume
Sadly this feedback loop has the same limitation as the delays (10ms min). Quantum computing now!
The presets are for the beta, i assume
- KVRAF
- 8828 posts since 6 Jan, 2017 from Outer Space
Usually in DSP land the minimum delay of a feedback is the number of samples in a processing block. Check your settings. Nothing to do about this...
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- KVRian
- 911 posts since 10 Dec, 2013
Duuuuude this is such a good find, getting some crazy atonal jazz madness playing a rhodes into the flanger with a couple of other effects chucked into the feedback path. Thanks for all of your research, you've found and invented some amazing stuff so far!
- KVRAF
- 25459 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
How do I use this preset?Taika-Kim wrote:Something I came up with today:
As most have noticed, the Audio Receiver device does not allow an feedback routing. But, using instead a DC module with an audio rate modulator modulating it, this is allowed. So now endless loops of self-modulation are possible.
Here's the stock chorus turned into a flanger:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/ikvu0dty3kurl ... reset?dl=0
EDIT... what I mean is, how do I install it?
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1262 posts since 15 May, 2002 from Finland
It requires beta 4 or 5, don't now remember which. Can't you just drag and drop this to Bitwig?
- KVRian
- 821 posts since 11 Aug, 2018 from UE
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- KVRian
- 818 posts since 18 Oct, 2014
Finally got around testing this, you are right. It's twice the buffer size.Tj Shredder wrote:Usually in DSP land the minimum delay of a feedback is the number of samples in a processing block. Check your settings. Nothing to do about this...
- KVRAF
- 25459 posts since 3 Feb, 2005 from in the wilds
I've got beta 5... doesn't work for me (on Mac)... Bitwig doesn't see it.Taika-Kim wrote:It requires beta 4 or 5, don't now remember which. Can't you just drag and drop this to Bitwig?
- KVRian
- 1350 posts since 31 Mar, 2014
This preset works in 2.3.5
Played around with modulating the phase of a Phase-4 oscillator (ratio set to zero) by a feedback Audio Rate modulator.
And got some tonal stuff when using two oscillators modulating each other. Unfortunately I didn't found a way to delay a signal less than 10ms (using Delay with Mix set to 100%) - so I live without it for now.
I used Note Latch so press the same note again to toggle it of.
Really hope Bitwig won't close this possible routing! Please don't report as bug!!!
EDIT: oh yeah, that's good stuff! (Preset 2)
EDIT: still having fun (Preset 3)
Played around with modulating the phase of a Phase-4 oscillator (ratio set to zero) by a feedback Audio Rate modulator.
And got some tonal stuff when using two oscillators modulating each other. Unfortunately I didn't found a way to delay a signal less than 10ms (using Delay with Mix set to 100%) - so I live without it for now.
I used Note Latch so press the same note again to toggle it of.
Really hope Bitwig won't close this possible routing! Please don't report as bug!!!
EDIT: oh yeah, that's good stuff! (Preset 2)
EDIT: still having fun (Preset 3)
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- KVRian
- 821 posts since 11 Aug, 2018 from UE
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1262 posts since 15 May, 2002 from Finland
That's cool
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- KVRian
- 818 posts since 18 Oct, 2014
Blur can do shorter.u-u-u wrote: Unfortunately I didn't found a way to delay a signal less than 10ms (using Delay with Mix set to 100%) - so I live without it for now.
Time shift even shorter but cant be modulated.
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- KVRist
- 234 posts since 27 Mar, 2014
You guys are crazy! Love it!
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 1262 posts since 15 May, 2002 from Finland
Placing Time Shift inside the feedback loop does not sadly remove the inherent delay. Or then I just didn't find the correct values. It's hard to say when exactly it would be close to no delay at all.