Is using chord plugins and tools cheating if you do not know music theory?

Chords, scales, harmony, melody, etc.
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The bloke who wrote the above Quora post about the Beatles developed the Groove Pizza which was endorsed by Julian Lennon that uses the math language of angles, shapes and patterns to make grooves and has his own quite terrific music education blog that I visit from time to time http://www.ethanhein.com/wp that has a lot about learning music by interacting with computers (and other people, the world, etc) so it made me ask How can you interact with a chord plugin to learn about chords?
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Michael L wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:00 am The bloke who wrote the above Quora post about the Beatles developed the Groove Pizza which was endorsed by Julian Lennon that uses the math language of angles, shapes and patterns to make grooves and has his own quite terrific music education blog that I visit from time to time http://www.ethanhein.com/wp that has a lot about learning music by interacting with computers (and other people, the world, etc) so it made me ask How can you interact with a chord plugin to learn about chords?
Check out the recent Scaler 1.8 video.

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Michael L wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:00 am The bloke who wrote the above Quora post about the Beatles developed the Groove Pizza which was endorsed by Julian Lennon that uses the math language of angles, shapes and patterns to make grooves and has his own quite terrific music education blog that I visit from time to time http://www.ethanhein.com/wp that has a lot about learning music by interacting with computers (and other people, the world, etc) so it made me ask How can you interact with a chord plugin to learn about chords?
https://tylerbisson.com/Groove-Pizzeria/

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when were the beatles added to the quran?

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Michael L wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 10:00 am The bloke who wrote the above Quora post about the Beatles developed the Groove Pizza which was endorsed by Julian Lennon that uses the math language of angles, shapes and patterns to make grooves and has his own quite terrific music education blog that I visit from time to time http://www.ethanhein.com/wp that has a lot about learning music by interacting with computers (and other people, the world, etc) so it made me ask How can you interact with a chord plugin to learn about chords?
sounds like some occult knowledge, sacred geometry or some such. best avoided, you might accidentally summon saville.

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vurt wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:23 pm when were the beatles added to the quran?
After they played Sheikh Stadium :wink:

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Also the Groove Pizza, less complex but more features: https://apps.musedlab.org/groovepizza/?museid=Hy0-8Vzer&
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https://www.dynamictonality.com/xronomorph.htm
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Both are in this book which probably has the answer to "is it cheating?'
https://www.springer.com/us/book/9783319920689
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I have Scaler and never use it. I should crack it open once in a while to find a more exotic scale, but honestly I always get faster results just working out the chords myself. I think it's ultimately more efficient to study chords for several months in the end. It doesn't take long to understand most chord types and when to use them. Less time than I thought it would anyway. Use Scaler if it works for you, but I got a lot more out of watching youtube videos on my office lunch break and applying what I learn.

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Straight2Vinyl wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:32 pm I have Scaler and never use it. I should crack it open once in a while to find a more exotic scale, but honestly I always get faster results just working out the chords myself. I think it's ultimately more efficient to study chords for several months in the end. It doesn't take long to understand most chord types and when to use them. Less time than I thought it would anyway. Use Scaler if it works for you, but I got a lot more out of watching youtube videos on my office lunch break and applying what I learn.
Absolutely, me too, and I would say that unless you are using at a tool to learn theory, it is kind of useless (other than a library of exotic scales, and pretty good fretboard/arpeggiator/ strummer). I like using the detector function as I play to detect the chords and then use it’s scale/voicing functions. A pretty big defect is it’s lack of circle of fifths.

As a tool to help you learn theory, it can (although not necessarily) speed up your learning process. MG The Future mentions this use many times.

The way I see it, you can know theory, but not necessarily be a very good player. Learning the theory, at least for me, is quicker than developing the intuition to actually compose music learning the theory. Scaler can speed this up.

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Michael L wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:49 pm
Also the Groove Pizza, less complex but more features: https://apps.musedlab.org/groovepizza/?museid=Hy0-8Vzer&
Part of the same social circle:
https://www.dynamictonality.com/xronomorph.htm
&
Both are in this book which probably has the answer to "is it cheating?'
https://www.springer.com/us/book/9783319920689
more arcane magick :o

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perpetual3 wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:45 pm
Straight2Vinyl wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:32 pm I have Scaler and never use it. I should crack it open once in a while to find a more exotic scale, but honestly I always get faster results just working out the chords myself. I think it's ultimately more efficient to study chords for several months in the end. It doesn't take long to understand most chord types and when to use them. Less time than I thought it would anyway. Use Scaler if it works for you, but I got a lot more out of watching youtube videos on my office lunch break and applying what I learn.
Absolutely, me too, and I would say that unless you are using at a tool to learn theory, it is kind of useless (other than a library of exotic scales, and pretty good fretboard/arpeggiator/ strummer). I like using the detector function as I play to detect the chords and then use it’s scale/voicing functions. A pretty big defect is it’s lack of circle of fifths.

As a tool to help you learn theory, it can (although not necessarily) speed up your learning process. MG The Future mentions this use many times.

The way I see it, you can know theory, but not necessarily be a very good player. Learning the theory, at least for me, is quicker than developing the intuition to actually compose music learning the theory. Scaler can speed this up.
Sure, but playing should naturally improve along with theory, assuming you actually take time to play the chord types you learn in all keys and in a couple different voicings. I improved pretty rapidly when I did this. Of course I haven't in months and so I've stalled in progress, or regressed a bit. lol.
One thing I'd like to see in scaler is a guitar option with just as many guitar voicings. It would be helpful with guitar libraries like Orange Tree Evolution guitars. Also helpful for someone just playing some guitar chords themselves.

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vurt wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:23 pm when were the beatles added to the quran?
After they ate the groove pizza

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Forgotten wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 3:58 pm
vurt wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:23 pm when were the beatles added to the quran?
After they ate the groove pizza
ah, groove pizza gate. mr jones was somewhat animated about that i seem to remember?

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it would be remiss of me to not mention, im currently listening to an episode of the sage of quay radio show (some dude obsessed with the paul is dead conspiracy) which is about the beatles and occultism :o :lol:
the guest sounds like one of the dukes of hazard or something "yes siree bob, that there is what you call a magick circle! hooooey!"

samples ahoy is all i can think :hihi:

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jacqueslacouth wrote: Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:52 am I suspect that the Trombone is really a piece of technology to make it easier (and less painful) to play musical farts
It has so many uses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5IKthNYhVY

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